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    #9410077 - 12/10/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



Habitat:
Under pines, growing on red clay, pine needles were stuck in the mycelium at the base of it but i doubt that's relevant.

Gills:
White, NOT Attached.

Stem:
White, Solid, bout 1-1/2 inches long.

Cap:
2 inches across, smooth but slightly sticky, cream to brownish, convex.

Spore print color:
STRANGE!

White with the light, then when light is not on it, it looks brownish pink?

Bruising:
Olive brown.

Other information:
Has an odor but its hard to pickup on, its a very "Intense" odor though, i dont know how to describe it, very unpleasant, rotten?

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9410131 - 12/10/08 11:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Can we get a shot of the gills?


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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CureCat]
    #9410147 - 12/10/08 11:38 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)



this was a hard picture to take, the gills reflect light so bad i could barely get a clear shot no matter which source of light i used.

should i taste this thing too? i sure hope i dont gotta, smells like SHIT.

i should also add, the stem is very fibery like a tough string cheese.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9410163 - 12/10/08 11:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

almost looks like a death cap.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
    #9410204 - 12/10/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Amanita Phalloides doesnt grow in clusters under pines, plus it has a veil and a volva at the base of the stipe.

i was thinking.... melanoleuca? maybe entoloma?
i really wasnt sure cause i couldnt tell what the spore print color really was, i saw like 3 different colors, i can try to capture what im talking bout in photo if anyone needs.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9410386 - 12/11/08 12:29 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm.....  Melanoleuca or Entoloma are good guesses, but the gills look free, leading me to think Pluteus, perhaps P. petasatus.

I wouldn't describe species of Pluteus as smelling bad or having a very tough stem, but maybe.


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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CureCat]
    #9410622 - 12/11/08 01:18 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

funny, i erased pluteus from that last post cause i thought it was a silly idea.

i thought pluteus was a wood lover and not terrestrial?
i found a red staining mushroom recently that appeared to be a pluteus, but it wasnt growing off wood, and i keyed it out as an entoloma, thats why i thought if it was terrestrial that maybe it wasnt a pluteus.

and for Pluteus Petasatus in the link u provided, it says

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Habitat

Clustered, less commonly solitary, on rotting chips, woody debris or logs; fruiting in late summer in watered areas or after the fall rains.





the base of the stem is mostly attached to red clay, just one or two pieces of pine needle stuck to it.
theres really no woody debris.

i may add there was once a giant oak in proximity, and theres a smaller oak near it, both within 20 feet. the whole area is surrounded by giant ponderosa pines which completely coat everything around for miles.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9410690 - 12/11/08 01:34 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Huh.  That certainly does cast doubt on Pluteus.


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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CureCat]
    #9410789 - 12/11/08 02:12 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

k well the only other thing i can find is Tricholoma. the gills of Tricholoma are free, and the prints are light.
and im lost in that genus...
i dont study that nor entoloma much...

i guess i should, i just dont see them often, and surprisingly they both are quite common :smirk:

Tricholoma fits, right?

i also thought it might be Limecella, cause of how sticky the cap is, but that doesnt seem right at all.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9410813 - 12/11/08 02:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Notta Trich or Ent at all.  Limacella is a good guess, definitely the Amanitaceae family.  I ran to Pluteus too until I saw the print.  Wrong color.

Nice find!  :thumbup:

I like the weirdos.


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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CureCat]
    #9410836 - 12/11/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I discounted Amanita due to the lack of an obvious volva or ring, but I guess not all species need have those features.

The spore colour is not so far off for Pluteus.  I guess it isn't quite pink enough though, it's more cream coloured.

Good call!


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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CureCat]
    #9410855 - 12/11/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks.  I try.  :smile:

That's the reason I said family instead of genus.  If I had that thing in my hands I'd be all over it until I got close.


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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9411471 - 12/11/08 08:30 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

CptnGarden said:
k well the only other thing i can find is Tricholoma. the gills of Tricholoma are free, and the prints are light.
and im lost in that genus...
i dont study that nor entoloma much...

i guess i should, i just dont see them often, and surprisingly they both are quite common :smirk:

Tricholoma fits, right?

i also thought it might be Limecella, cause of how sticky the cap is, but that doesnt seem right at all.


If your interested in the Genus entoloma check this site out, they do look similar to yours.

http://www.entoloma.nl/html/entintroeng.html#satijnzwammen

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9412223 - 12/11/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

How about Leucoagaricus?

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9412563 - 12/11/08 12:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

dont those have a veil?

also, this print is seriously "pink-brown" in natural light, ill get a better pic

but when i shine artificial light on it for a pic, like the flash of my camera, it shows up as white?

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9412626 - 12/11/08 12:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)


Without Light




With Light

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9412763 - 12/11/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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also, this print is seriously "pink-brown" in natural light, ill get a better pic




Oh ok, the white color is because the tinfoil is not reflecting light back to the camera so the flash is reflected only from the print and it gets completely washed out.  The same thing happens to mushroom stems if you use the flash with a dark background.

Free gill attachment + pink spores has to be a Pluteus.

Its Pluteus petasatus.

"This infrequent Pluteus is unusual in its clustered fruiting habit."

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9412845 - 12/11/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

k, but can pluteus grow terrestrially? again this wasnt growing from any wood whatsoever. i even just went to the spot and dug it up a little to look.



dunno if that microscopy helps any.


even if its not that pluteus, thanks for the help guys, i just ruled it out cause it wasnt on wood at all.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: CptnGarden]
    #9412994 - 12/11/08 02:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Most species of Pluteus like to grow on logs but this one likes wood debris too.

Probably fruiting off the pine needles and sticks.

Looks like Pluteus spores in your microscope pic.

Here is just about the first microscopic photo I took, color balance is way off but its otherwise good.



The above image is P. cervinus which has elliptical spores, yours should be real similar but a slightly different shape, boadly ellipsoid to ovoid.

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Re: Hrrrmzorz [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9413083 - 12/11/08 02:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well obviously u have a much better microscope than my "childrens science-kit" one that i got for 1$ at a garage sale, its hard to take pictures through, but im able to match up your description to the spores on my slide.

thanks a ton everyone :thumbup:
this one had me stumped.

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