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 Patisotagami
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 Thoughts don't change 
#9401726 - 12/09/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thoughts and feelings remain;
It is our awareness that changes.
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 awesomebastard
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can the two be separated?
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They can be separated. It seems that a feeling can become a thought. Therefore, the result of a feeling is a thought, and an action is the manifestation of that thought. So thoughts and actions are on the same level. But a feeling is the bracket above those two processes. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Thoughts don't change [Re: Rainman420]
#9404580 - 12/10/08 07:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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can the two be separated?
I've been rolling around the idea of the mind's purpose being to chatter about the current emotion. At least, I've noticed this happens to me when I'm auto-piloting. My mind will just think over whatever emotion I'm feeling, conjuring memory all over the place. When my emotion changes, the chattering continues but the content changes. But this is on auto-pilot (fast paced repetetive work), I don't really know how a thought process would fit in  . Maybe by building a system of logic. Whatever, I'm going to work.
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ridebaja
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I agree that our awareness can change. But when we change into a higher level of awareness, our thoughts DO change. We don't have certain thoughts anymore because we realize that they were useless ad harmful to our spirit.
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Chronic7
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in what way does awareness change?
thoughts & feelings come & go
awareness cant come & go
awareness sees coming & sees going
therefore is beyond both
theres no levels of awareness
theres levels of consciousness & thoughts
but all these are watched in awareness
which doesnt change move or grow
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Re: Thoughts don't change [Re: Chronic7]
#9405264 - 12/10/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think that my awareness changes, comes, and goes..
How is it permanent?
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Re: Thoughts don't change [Re: Kupo]
#9405728 - 12/10/08 11:45 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
mrspirit2 said:
I think that my awareness changes, comes, and goes..
How is it permanent?
okay lets really look at this...
if you are aware of changes, comings & goings
these things are happening infront of you...
that awareness which is watching changing, coming & going
is that changing coming or going?
dont think about it, look & see
you can maybe say 'i am more aware than i was 5 years ago'
but has awareness changed?
or isit just that your attention has shifted?
awareness is like seeing & seeing does not change
what is seen changes comes & goes, but seeing does not come or go
from the moment you were born you see & now you see
theres been no change in the seeing itself
just the objects seen
do you see?
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Re: Thoughts don't change [Re: Chronic7]
#9406940 - 12/10/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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"from the moment you were born you see & now you see "
What about degenerative diseases of the eye, causing one to gradually 'not' see, or see differently than before?
By Awareness, I meant "Attention"...
I think that when we feel emotions... one day we could feel extremely depressed; the next day we could feel elated. All of these emotions are within us, though... all the time, are they not? What exactly IS a feeling? Or an emotion? Sure it's neural pathways in one's brain, but what, really, is it? I don't purport to know the answer to this, as I don't think any humans can really know. But I'm bringing it up for conversation's sake.
Do these emotions constantly stir and sit within whatever makes an individual conscious? If so, it would seem that whichever emotion our brain divy's our attention to at any single time leads to us feeling that emotion.
On the other hand, do emotions come and go? Does sadness push happiness out of one's brain altogether? Or do they coexist and get brought out once we push our attention one way or the other?
I lean more towards the former, because when one feels one emotion, they are still conscious/aware that the opposite emotion is out there... and if they give it enough attention, they will soon feel it.
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Re: Thoughts don't change [Re: Chronic7]
#9407303 - 12/10/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Chronic777 said:
in what way does awareness change?
thoughts & feelings come & go
awareness cant come & go
awareness sees coming & sees going
therefore is beyond both
theres no levels of awareness
theres levels of consciousness & thoughts
but all these are watched in awareness
which doesnt change move or grow
This is where I disagreee
Awareness grows when one becomes more observant of themselves. Once you know what is actually going on in life, you are more aware then you used to be.
With this higher level of awareness you can know the truth better, instead of letting your mind be cluttered with thoughts of filth. You are then free to accept or reject any feelings you want.
This inner peace is what I seek, and I can feel it growing stronger, but I know that I will always be searching to keep the inner peace.
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