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 stickygreennpurp
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 Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs 
#9343434 - 12/01/08 11:40 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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What your opinions. Are you one of the people that says a chemical is a chemical, or do you just enjoy substances given to us by mother earth in pure form? I personally partake in both kinds of substances, but always "feel better" about taking something that came straight from the earth. Interested to hear you guys thoughts.
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Big_Whoop
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Quote:
stickygreennpurp said:
What your opinions. Are you one of the people that says a chemical is a chemical, or do you just enjoy substances given to us by mother earth in pure form? I personally partake in both kinds of substances, but always "feel better" about taking something that came straight from the earth. Interested to hear you guys thoughts.
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 Cognitive_Shift
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 Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: Big_Whoop]
#9343487 - 12/01/08 11:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Natural vs Synthetic?
There are dangerous/toxic substances both synth and natural so i don't have a preference. When people say "hey maaaan, don't eat acid man, that man made shit maaan, its synthetic its not what the body is supposed to take maaan" Its not that, for me its
Toxic vs non-toxic
I don't like to put toxins into my body thats all that matters not synth vs natural.
 People assume anything natural is safer. LSD or Water Hemlock?
I would rather eat the synth LSD
Then when i do consume toxins (alcohol for example) i look for
Route of entry into the body
Amount or dose entering the body
Toxicity of the chemical
Removal from the body
Biological variation
Edited by Cognitive_Shift (12/01/08 11:54 AM)
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The distinction is a wholly imagined one. There is no difference. It is a destructive distinction that needs to be eliminated.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: LSDreamer]
#9343507 - 12/01/08 11:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It makes no difference to me whether the chemical is synthesized by a plant or a human.
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wildchild68
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: LSDreamer]
#9343553 - 12/01/08 11:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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As much as I don't like the "natural is safer" perspective, I think I dislike people jumping on someone for saying they prefer natural drugs more.
All he said was that he "feels better" about taking a natural drug, not that it was actually safer.
I don't pretend that natural drugs are somehow superior, but I much prefer the process behind them.
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Big_Whoop
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: wildchild68]
#9343581 - 12/01/08 12:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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nobody has said anything discriminating.. except me regarding hippies.
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wildchild68
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: Big_Whoop]
#9343605 - 12/01/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bingo.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: wildchild68]
#9343615 - 12/01/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm cool with anything psychedelic, natural or synthetic. I'm not into any of the hard, addictive drugs like coke, crack, meth, heroine, speed, etc. I think, if you stick to the psychedelics, you're fine.
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Cognitive_Shift
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: Mr Cyan]
#9343636 - 12/01/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like the hard drugs like Alcohol, Oxycontin and Cocaine as ways to escape stressful environments and experience euphoria and good times. But when i do them all the time i feel worthless, im a very active person, so sitting around snorting OC all day for weeks makes me.... well pretty fucking depressed.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: Mr Cyan]
#9343637 - 12/01/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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LSD is semi-synthetic. It has life and magic to it, DOx however i thought was pretty shit, it had no life and no magic. Don't know if there are any good fully synthetic psychs. Then again for all i know DOx could be semi-synthetic.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: Grapefruit]
#9343736 - 12/01/08 12:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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There may not be a difference in the primary active chemicals of plants and ones that are synthed, but with cacti, poppy pod, and weed for example, there are other compounds in there that can change the effect
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: AgingHippy]
#9343752 - 12/01/08 12:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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^That isn't really the point, I don't think. I think the point was whether or not you consider one superior to the other or even make the distinction at all.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: LSDreamer]
#9343765 - 12/01/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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part of my point is that there is no difference in the chemicals themselves, but the "natural" drugs seem to always have additional chemicals effecting the experience.
If you were to synth every chemical found in weed and consumed that, it'd be the exact same thing as consuming weed
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: AgingHippy]
#9343797 - 12/01/08 12:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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^True, though I really think that cannabis is an extreme case in that it quite possibly (probably, even) contains or has the potential to contain, depending on strain, hundreds of active cannabinoids. With cacti and mushrooms, I just think that the array of potentially active alkaloids is significantly smaller. For example, I recall a person separating out mescaline from the other alkaloids in cactus (I think it was peyote, though I don't remember) and consumed the alkaloids other than mescaline. He reported negligible psychoactive effects and got sick.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: LSDreamer]
#9343817 - 12/01/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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the poppy plant is another example and ephedra (pseudo and ephedrine) and many more
Edited by AgingHippy (12/01/08 12:44 PM)
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LSDreamer
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: AgingHippy]
#9343833 - 12/01/08 12:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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^Possibly. Don't really know much about the composition of opium beyond the major constituents.
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heartofalion
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I personally dont think it matters because when it comes down to it, its a chemical. i love the I will only do shrooms because they are natural lol and lsd is man made OMG. Well belladonna is a natural occuring psychedelic/dissociative and that can be very deadly...i dunno to me they are just chems, and besides i only live once so to be completely honest im not to concerned about the long term side effects.
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Re: Natural vs. Synthetic Drugs [Re: LSDreamer]
#9343862 - 12/01/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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What I said definitely doesn't apply to all drugs/plants/fungus of course, and doesn't really consider purely synthetic substances.
so i'll just change my opinion to a simple: There's no difference, they're all just chemicals that can be synthed or come from natural source (aside from the ones that are only synthed) and some just feel more "natural" because they're probably a psych and suggestion is powerful under the influence
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stickygreennpurp
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Quote:
Cognitive_Shift said:
Natural vs Synthetic?
There are dangerous/toxic substances both synth and natural so i don't have a preference. When people say "hey maaaan, don't eat acid man, that man made shit maaan, its synthetic its not what the body is supposed to take maaan" Its not that, for me its
Toxic vs non-toxic
I don't like to put toxins into my body thats all that matters not synth vs natural.
People assume anything natural is safer. LSD or Water Hemlock?
I would rather eat the synth LSD
Then when i do consume toxins (alcohol for example) i look for
Route of entry into the body
Amount or dose entering the body
Toxicity of the chemical
Removal from the body
Biological variation
Yeah It always bugs me when my friends won't eat acid but eat shrooms. "That shit fries your brain and stays in your body forever and changes your body chemistry." bullshit
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