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airspoon
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standing water in fully colonized jars?
#9328980 - 11/28/08 08:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I inoculated 8 jars just shy of three weeks ago (1 day shy of three weeks) and I incubated three of the jars at 77f for 1 1/2 weeks and 84f for the other 1 1/2 weeks. I incubated the other 5 jars at 77f until yesterday moving them to the warmer temp as the warmer temp jars seemed to be colonizing a lot faster. Well of the three jars that have been in the warmer temp, 1 jar is fully colonized, the second jar is 99.99% colonized (it has about a 1mm sized spot that is uncolonized on the bottom and seems to be stalled on that spot so I flipped the jar the other day) and the third jar is about 90% colonized.
I noticed that on the jars that are 99% and 100% colonized, there is standing clear water on the bottom of the jars. The jars with the water seem to have the thickest and whitest myc growth on the bottom where the water is. Is this ok since the cakes are pretty much colonized or should I try to drain the water? Could this be the reason for the stall on the 99% colonized jar?
I was going to wait a week after full colonization to birth the jars in order to let the myc consolidate its holdings. Should I go ahead and birth the cakes now or is this water ok to let sit until birthing in 1 week? I also hear conflicting information about whether to birth the cakes right away after full colonization or let them sit for a week.
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airspoon
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9328999 - 11/28/08 08:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I forgot to mention that they are BRF jars.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329010 - 11/28/08 08:13 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The water is perfectly normal. I would wait to birth the cakes and give them a week to solidify their holding on the inside. The reason it's going so slow for that last mm on the outside is because it is still working on the inside of the cake. If it's grown that far along, I certainly wouldn't want to spoil it by birthing early. You may even see some of the myc turn yellow due to the excess moisture/fungi excretion. All normal. Your almost there!
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Michael O G]
#9329021 - 11/28/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well standing water is not perfectly normal, has it been there the entire time.. Some condensation is normal but amounts of standing water is not normal..
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Damion5050]
#9329041 - 11/28/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The standing water on the bottom just showed up after 80% colonization although the sides of the jars had condinsation on them after about 10% colonization.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329046 - 11/28/08 08:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should be fine as long as the water hasn't been there.. The faster you get them out the better though..
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329052 - 11/28/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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This water prolly showed up from fluctuating temperatures. That creates condensation in the jars, and obviously it was allot...
The water content in the jar needs to be very particular amount. Too much can stall, or massively slow down myc growth.
If it was me, I would let it sit in the water for a few days to see if its going to colonize uncolonized substrate areas that are sitting in this water. You really don't wanna try to pour it out or anything, cause you don't want to disturb your dry verm filter at the top. You could overturn contams and let them fall into your jar. Also, don't think you can tune the jar upside down and let the water go to the other end, cause you can welcome in contams if your dry verm filter lair gets damp.
Leave them in the jar 5-7 days after they fully hit 100% colonization. This is so the myc can consolidate its hold on the substrate. There just going to sit there and do nothing for a week if you fruit them right away any ways, might as well just keep them safe in the jar.
After the jars sat there for 2-3 more day, and you don't notice myc colonizing the substrate areas sitting in the water, birth it, and rinse it off under the sink. When rinsing it, uncolonized areas will wash away. colonized cakes are pretty sturdy, and rinsing away the small uncolonized areas will not make it fall apart, unless the uncolonized area is very large, or uncovers a uncolonized inside...
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Edited by Boris (11/28/08 08:28 PM)
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Damion5050]
#9329077 - 11/28/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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It has to be condensation, if the jar is 99% colonized then it's got to condensation building up, looking like a water bubble sandwiched between the cake and the inside of the jar. Forming as it comes closer to full colonization.
A few of mine are at the end of colonizing the bottom of the jar and the moisture is visible. I've never had a problem with it.
Thanks for pointing that out! I certainly didn't mean still water 1/4 the way up the jar. I would think a jar that wet would be a mess of cake.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Michael O G]
#9329089 - 11/28/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh, I thought you meant you had standing water in the bottom of your jar. a lil condensation is ok.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Boris]
#9329130 - 11/28/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I do have standing water on the bottom but as Michael OG stated, it's in a big bubble on the bottom of the jar so that makes me feel a lot better. Thanks for all the helpful info guys.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329139 - 11/28/08 08:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Should I re-flip the jar as to minimize the exposer of the 1mm part of uncolonized substrate to the water bubble on the bottom of the jar?
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329156 - 11/28/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is not caused by condensation. The water in the jars is the mycellium's reaction to the warm temps you are colonizing at. The mycellium is 'sweating' trying to remove excess heat. Colonization should be kept between 69-75f. Anything higher and you are risking problems. 84f is much too high.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
#9329194 - 11/28/08 08:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I keep reading that colonization is ideal at 86f (keeping in mind that the myc heats the jar a few degrees) and I have noticed a much faster colonization at the warmer temps. Should I place these jars at a lower temp? I kind of wanted to wait to intoduce them to a cooler climate until I birth them as to help initiate pinning but If I am hurting the myc then I def want to remove them from this higher temp.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329222 - 11/28/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Myc generates heat like you stated you know, but did you know its an extra 10 degrees ? 70-75 degrees is a good temp. generally a comfortable room temp for humans is good. unless your some psycho that likes it 50, or 90.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: Boris]
#9329237 - 11/28/08 09:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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83f is usually max growing temperature, but as boris said that's not the temperature in your jar where heat gets built up. Keep under 75f and you will have just as fast colonization with no probs.
Cubensis requires no cold shock to fruit. Fruiting should be done between 69-85f.
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: airspoon]
#9329427 - 11/28/08 09:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
airspoon said: The standing water on the bottom just showed up after 80% colonization although the sides of the jars had condinsation on them after about 10% colonization.
It's not standing water. It's metabolites because your mycelium is fighting bacteria that was stimulated by the higher temperature. Keep colonizing jars at 81F or below. Mycelium does NOT colonize fastest at 86F. That is bad information from the 1980's, that still seems to get repeated, despite our knowledge for the last 20 years that it's incorrect. RR
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Re: standing water in fully colonized jars? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9329723 - 11/28/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, I will send the jars back to the closet @ 77f. Thank you for the great info. Could the myc be hurt by the repeated sudden temp changes such as moving them from 77f to 84f and then back to 77f?
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