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 johndoe33467
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#9243818 - 11/14/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi, this is my first attempt at BRF cakes(also my first post), everything seems to be going fairly well, Im at the incubation stage, however Im not too satisfied with the conditions, to my understanding the temperature should be higher during incubation for the equadorian strain Im growing.
Im currently using the cuboard above my refrigerator, Im seeing very slow results and I suspect it is due to the temperature being abit too low. At my house the temperature is always around 76 degrees farenheit, Is there a way I can increase the temperature in the incubation area alone? any suggestions? Id appreciate it 
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 German Kahuna
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76 is too low for incubation. Did you measure the temperature inside the cupboard? If it's 76 in the rest of the house, it's most likely higher in that cupboard. Do you have a thermometer inside the cupboard? What does it say?
For climate control I use a 90W heating cable plugged into a thermostat for my FC, which is a former mobile closet the inside of which I insulated w. styrofoam, and a 15W heating cable w. thermostat for my incubator, which is a former camping cooler.
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blood4blood
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76 is just fine for incubation. it's actually perfect. that's about what i keep my jars regulated at because my house stays between 58 (night) 65 (day). and i have no problem's colonizing jars
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German Kahuna
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Really? I thought that was like 10 degrees too low (not too low to grow mycelium, but below ideal). I am always confused by Fahrenheit. I thought that 86° F was the ideal temperature for Cubensis mycelium growth.
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Edited by German Kahuna (11/14/08 01:09 PM)
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blood4blood
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that's outdated info my friend. if you look through a few of RR's post's regarding temps for colonization he'll say room temp is fine. colonizing jars are around 10-15 degrees F warmer on the inside while they are colonizing.
anyways, i know from expierence that right around 74-76 F works great. not trying to step on your toes man.
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German Kahuna
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I didn't feel stepped on the toes. I am always happy to be enlightened by someone with more experience or better/newer information.
I am keeping my jars at 28°-29° Celsius, which is around 82-85F and the mycelium is growing fast and strong.
So when you start the fruiting process, you don't really change the temperature?
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blood4blood
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i do alittle. i incubate around 76 and the room i fruit in (warmer than the rest of my house) is around 70.
temp drop is one of the lesser of important pinning triggers, if even one at all. fae is the huge one.
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johndoe33467
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Yeah, I don't currently have a thermometer, but your probably right, the temperature in there is probably alittle higher, I'm guessing it's taking awhile because of some other mistake I made, it was probably the moisture content, I think I put too much water in the substrate ratio before PC. Also the jars tipped over in the PC probably letting even more water in the jars, I don't know what too mcuh moisture usually results in though.
Oh yeah and on one of my jars the mycelium seems to be growing on the TOP of the jar which seems real unusual, I'm guessing from falling over, But my best guess is this will probably make it pin earlier than its supposed to, but this IS my first time. well thanks for the help so far
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blood4blood
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none of the info you mentioned above sounds like your going to have much luck at all with.
what ratio did you use for your pf jars?
i havent done cakes in awhile but i think it should be
1 part water
1 part brown rice flour
2 parts verm
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Quote:
johndoe33467 said:mycelium seems to be growing on the TOP of the jar
What do you mean by that? 
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Quote:
blood4blood said:
none of the info you mentioned above sounds like your going to have much luck at all with.
what ratio did you use for your pf jars?
i havent done cakes in awhile but i think it should be
1 part water
1 part brown rice flour
2 parts verm
if your jars fell over in the PC there too wet
the one with growth on top is probaly contam
and blood was right on the ratio
its 1/2cup verm
1/3cup water
1/4cup brf
this is for 1 250ml jar(standard 1/2 pint jar
i would redo those jars
also see if you can post a pic
-noobie-
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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how long ago did you inoculate? did you use multi-spore?
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I guess I got a little wreckless/overconfident with the ratios, thought I could do it by eye. When I say on the top of the jar
I mean on the top of the subtrate where the dry layer of verm was supposed to be, Yeah It could be a contamination, but it's
hard to tell because it's all white. and yeah by the way I did use a multispore, So you guys think I should start over? I'm
starting to think so right about now...
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i would start over but keep the jars u already started just to see what happens....buy a few more jars if poss. ,theyre not that expensive.
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That's exactly what I was just thinking, I need more jars anyways, more small ones. awsome, alright well thanks soo much everyone you've all been very helpful  
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incubation is optimal in the high 70s for jars, the internal temp will be higher than the ambient temp outside the jars, above 83 degrees, colonization slows down...keep that in mind if you plan on going any warmer than what you are at now...but what you have is just fine, 76 degrees is fine and any higher would give negligible results in colonization time.
the correct BRF recipe is :
2 parts verm, 1 part water, 1 part BRF.
http://www.iplayerhd.com/player/eddabfdc-97f8-4201-853a-1203531bb169.aspx
good luck with your first grow, welcome to the shroomery community.
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Quote:
johndoe33467 said:
That's exactly what I was just thinking, I need more jars anyways, more small ones. awsome, alright well thanks soo much everyone you've all been very helpful
If your going to buy more jars you may want to research using grains instead of the pf method.Dont wanna overload ya with too much info here but grains are easier and produce more when spawned to bulk substrate.
Since you already have verm and brf i guess you may as well use it up and then try the grains.For those youll want pint or quart jars and youll need a pressure cooker.Goodluck with whatever you decide to do !
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Isn't it true that you can break the grain into little bits? Therefore you could exponentially inoculate other jars? Right? I'm a trying brf 4 the 1st time. I think I'm gonna try grain in a few weeks. Just for curiosity.
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 Re: Incubation [Re: Zep Tepi]
#9247150 - 11/15/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Zep Tepi said:
Isn't it true that you can break the grain into little bits? Therefore you could exponentially inoculate other jars? Right? I'm a trying brf 4 the 1st time. I think I'm gonna try grain in a few weeks. Just for curiosity.
watch this look at grain to grain transfers
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/
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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.
Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!
GOOD JUDGMENT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE
EXPERIENCE COMES FROM BAD JUDGMENT
ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
Thank you mycochef
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Zep Tepi
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I guess we all know which one is economical. Even if one were limited by space, you could refrigerate inoculated jars. Grain seems more superior than brf tek.
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