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Invisiblericeandpeas
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Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe?
    #9186726 - 11/05/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

With the republicans leaving the country in the biggest shit it's faced in decades, can Obama really put it back on it's feet?

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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9186923 - 11/05/08 01:27 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I hope so..

but I hope it does not compromise the safety of americans now that republicans are gone

Safety should be first. always.


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Arose Chaos]
    #9186957 - 11/05/08 01:33 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

>Safety should be first. always.

Not liberty?


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9187197 - 11/05/08 03:16 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

>  can Obama really put it back on it's feet?

My prediction is no... you are going to see massive tax hikes on corporate America, along with pro-union legislation, forcing jobs overseas.  You are going to see amnesty to the illegal aliens, along with an opening of the borders for whoever wants to come, thus sucking up the few remaining low income jobs.  The wealthy will stay wealthy, moving their well to tax friendly countries, while the middle class will be pushed into poverty, making everybody that isn't wealthy equal.

> Not liberty?

He voted in favor of the Patriot Act II... liberty?  Nah, doesn't go well with socialism.  I wonder how long before he goes for the guns?  That will be the first thing he needs to get rid of to make his 'change we can believe in, comrade!' work.


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Seuss]
    #9187213 - 11/05/08 03:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, we're fucked.  The People of the US have mostly spoken out of ignorant enchantment and the idea that anything is better than a republican...unfortunately these people don't understand much about the world that exists around them and neither does Obama.  God help us.


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Seuss]
    #9187220 - 11/05/08 03:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I wasn't talking about Obama. I was responding to the idea that safety comes first. I believe one of your founding fathers has a quote about this.


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: zouden]
    #9187236 - 11/05/08 03:49 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> I wasn't talking about Obama. I was responding to the idea that safety comes first.

I know... I was tying the two back together, as I feel they are related.

> The People of the US have mostly spoken out of ignorant enchantment and the idea that anything is better than a republican...

Unfortunately, republican has been taken over by neocon much the way democrat has been taken over by national socialists.  People have had a fair taste of neocon over the last few years and don't like it.  They wanted change so badly that they didn't bother to look to see where the change was taking them (nor were they offered much of a choice in the matter.)  If Obama manages to get the republican party to ditch the neocons, then this might be worth it.  If Obama manages to get the democrat party to ditch the national socialists, then this might be worth it.


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Seuss]
    #9187244 - 11/05/08 03:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hooray, a positive note from you! :laugh:


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Seuss]
    #9187260 - 11/05/08 04:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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>  can Obama really put it back on it's feet?

My prediction is no... you are going to see massive tax hikes on corporate America




Thank God for that. Bush just gave them 700 billion and they appear to be spending most of that on their bonuses. We need to claw something back before they bankrupt the country.

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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9187286 - 11/05/08 04:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

> Bush just gave them 700 billion and they appear to be spending most of that on their bonuses.

No, Congress just gave the banking system 700 billion.  None of that money went to corporate American.  Bush was pushing for it, but it was Congress (including the alter boy Obama) that voted in favor of it.  Ironically, the only people against the bailout were the house republicans, and they were chastised by (democrat) majority leaders for 'sabotaging' the bailout.

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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9187298 - 11/05/08 04:42 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

if he gains 60 seats in the senate, he will get some shit done. if not, he still has a good majority to push shit through. we will see a temporary downturn followed by a steady surge in the markets.

this is assuming that he wasnt lieing about most of the shit he said.


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Arose Chaos]
    #9187481 - 11/05/08 07:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Safety should be first. always.




Abso-fucking-lutely incorrect.

Liberty and freedom should come first, ALWAYS.

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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: zouden]
    #9187510 - 11/05/08 07:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zouden said:
I wasn't talking about Obama. I was responding to the idea that safety comes first. I believe one of your founding fathers has a quote about this.







They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~ Benjamin Franklin

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

The first variant was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly. See Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin. [1]
The second variant was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) This book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts.[2]


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: Seuss]
    #9188035 - 11/05/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Bush was pushing for it, but it was Congress (including the alter boy Obama) that voted in favor of it.  .




and attempted president mccain


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Re: Can Obama save America from the republican catastrophe? [Re: riceandpeas]
    #9188059 - 11/05/08 10:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

riceandpeas said:
With the republicans leaving the country in the biggest shit it's faced in decades, can Obama really put it back on it's feet?




Depends on if the American people can come to their senses and really become responsible for the mess they created. He can lead but we must be willing to follow. Americans are usually too spoiled for this unfortunately.


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