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widowmaker487
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Wbs Moisture Question?
#9100042 - 10/19/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ok, I made 6 pint wbs jars. Im using the tyvek/polyfill lid. What I did was soak for 36 hours, drain, and put into the pressure cooker for an hour. Ok, when I took them out of the pressure cooker, they looked very moist and wet. After a couple of hours the grain expanded inside the jar from about half to about 3/4 of the jar. Now though, they look very dry on the outside, except for the cracked corn thats clumping on the sides. Is this normal? Will the myc still grow even though the grain looks dry on the outside? I used the tyvek/pollyfill lid plus put a coffee filter on the top after I knocked them, so im guessing the grain absorbed the remaining bit of moisture leaving very little on the outside of the grain. Am I ok... Is this normal? OR should it alway look moist Thanks to all
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MHbound
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Sounds fine. You want the grain to house the moisture. If not, it can cause wet spots etc. I am having this problem with a grow right now. I used popcorn for the first time in 1+ years, and I couldn't get the moisture right...So, my jars are wet, and this is what you try to avoid.
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widowmaker487
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: MHbound]
#9100117 - 10/19/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea the cracked corn that came with the WBS is the only grain in the jars that stayed looking wet like it did when it had just come out of the PC. I was worried cause I already knocked them and this being my first time didnt know if this was normal or not. So... the moisture on the inside of the grain should be sufficient enough for the myc to grow then.. Thanks alot...
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: MHbound]
#9100118 - 10/19/08 01:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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+ if its too wet. you will have a hard time shaking the grains apart. I did the same thing as did. I have excellent growth. The cracked corn is like glue though. Holds the grains together. Your going to have to shake the shit out of them. OR just let it be and dont shake your jars. I have some PE n blue meanie spores... the myc is ridiculous on wbs. it looks alot healthier than it did on rye.
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9100134 - 10/19/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just finished prepping wbs for the 6th time? i know the mix you're talking about with the cracked corn, the problem with having cracked/shredded corn in the mix is that it will release a crap load of starch all over the grains if not properly rinsed and if you've dry ed them properly they shouldn't be sticking to the side of the jars this is a sure sign that they're to wet.
By the way, if you just took the jars out and they're still cooling then its normal to have "wet" looking grains, after they cool everything should shake allot more easy, you just need to shake when you remove them or else the wbs becomes one big clump.
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widowmaker487
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: HybridprX]
#9100167 - 10/19/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Actually, there is very little cracked corn in the mix, about a half a tea spoon clumped in each jar. As far as shaking, no sticking at all... So thanks guys for the input...
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veda_sticks
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Properly prepaired grains should look dry. The moisture is inside of the grain, the tek you followed should tell you how to properly prepare and hydrate to feild capacity.
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9100300 - 10/19/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I simply soaked for 36 hours drained for 10 minutes and pressure cooked. Didnt read it in a tek here. I had done Doc's tek -12 hour soak and simmer, but all the grains exploded after I pressure cooked, so I tossed those and skipped the simmer.
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veda_sticks
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Always check your grains before loading into jars. Scoop them up in your hand and tilt your hand almost 90 degrees if any amount of grains stick to your hand let them drain for longer, its too wet. a few grains to no grains left sticking to your hands, its fine.
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Shr00mZ
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: veda_sticks]
#9100373 - 10/19/08 03:07 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I let mine drain for 30 minutes after simmering. Honestly it should be for 1-2 hours. Mines working out great. But next time Im going to let it drain longer.
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9100404 - 10/19/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Grains will drain all they're going to in about 1 minute. After that, they hardly ever drip. They may evaporate moisture, but they won't continue to drip. Make sure they're totally dry on the outside when you load the jars or they'll be too wet. I've many times described my process on these pages for getting the grains dry on the outside, but other growers use a towel to soak up any excess moisture before pressure cooking. Either method works.
If you put a tablespoon of grains on a piece of toilet paper and they leave a wet spot, they're too wet, so continue drying. RR
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: Shr00mZ]
#9100449 - 10/19/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pennington WBS doesn't have any cracked corn from my experiences. You may get some or a corn kernel but nothing really in my bag just a suggestion and it's super cheap. Also about the moisture, I would soak it for only 24 hours, you are really only making the contams in the WBS vulnerable to heat when you soak I believe? 36 hours seems ok but when I did more than 30 hours the smell was way too sour for my taste. Also you should drain longer than 10 minutes, 30 minutes atleast. As soon as I am done simmering, I put it in my massive mesh colander I found rinse and I shake it, move it, then tip to one edge so all the excess water flows out (sorry I am so proud of this find, it is literally as wide as my tub, takes up 1/3 of it, I have 15lbs of WBS in that pic in it ).
Then I let it sit for 10 minutes, come back, shake it move it, pour out the excess. I do not cover it, I let the top get a little more dry, then every 10 min or so mix the grain up and let it all dry equally. I tend to have a bit more dry grain, well not dry because the grain retains all the moisture on the inside but on the outside it is good to go. I used RR video and set my WBS up like how the Rye Berries are dried to where they won't leave a mark on toilet paper. Since I have done this I have noticed a much better colonization time with MS inoculations. LC is fast no matter what.
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: dothedew69]
#9100633 - 10/19/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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It may not slow your growth however, I HIGHLY recommend allowing your wbs to dry well.. I strain and shake mine to speed up the drain, then dump onto a towel and cover partially, then put a fan over it.. it will dry in an hour or two to optimal!
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widowmaker487
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: Grogan]
#9101343 - 10/19/08 07:16 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea, I'm confident I did everything good. Just wondering if they were supposed to look dry. Thanks all, ill post some pics as soon as I see something, hopefully
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dothedew69
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Yeah I often look at my WBS and wonder is it too dry? But I know deep inside it's all moist
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Re: Wbs Moisture Question? [Re: dothedew69]
#9101421 - 10/19/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
dothedew69 said: Yeah I often look at my WBS and wonder is it too dry? But I know deep inside it's all moist
I love taking close-up macro shots of my grains. I can just see how swollen they are and the pleasure I get from it approaches pornographic
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dothedew69
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hahahaha
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