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Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud
    #9093910 - 10/17/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Oct. 17 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama's campaign asked the U.S. Justice Department to expand a special prosecutor's investigation to include possible improprieties surrounding reports the FBI is looking into voter fraud in the presidential race.

Obama's campaign attorney said the investigation should look into a leak to the news media that the FBI is probing allegations of voter registration fraud by a grassroots organization called ACORN. The group's activities were denounced by Republican nominee John McCain in the Oct. 15 presidential debate.

Republican voter-fraud accusations ``seek both to suppress the vote and to unduly influence investigations and prosecutions,''

wrote Robert Bauer, general counsel for the Democratic presidential nominee. He made the statement in a letter to Mukasey and special prosecutor Nora Dannehy, who is looking into the nine U.S. attorney firings in 2006.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aAYOYsAX8sQs&refer=home

Investigate people who "allege" voter fraud???

Obama's campaign attorney can Go Fuck himself!


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9094054 - 10/17/08 09:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Get off your high horse please.  Both parties are wrong here.  Democratic entities have their hands in questionable registration fraud, and the Ohio GOP's attempts at wholesale disenfranchisement in reaction are equally deplorable.


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9094075 - 10/17/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I told ya the FBI would get flack for leaking that


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: thedefone]
    #9094091 - 10/17/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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thedefone said:
Get off your high horse please.  Both parties are wrong here.  Democratic entities have their hands in questionable registration fraud, and the Ohio GOP's attempts at wholesale disenfranchisement in reaction are equally deplorable.




Well said.

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: lonestar2004]
    #9094116 - 10/17/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

voter fraud or voter registration fraud? Which one is it.

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9094153 - 10/17/08 10:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

could be both when they allowed people to register and vote in
the same day, snatching up the homeless and
allowing/encouraging them to use addresses like the YMCA

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Ferris]
    #9094160 - 10/17/08 10:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I told ya the FBI would get flack for leaking that




sometimes information is deliberately leaked, it helps to get people to come forward

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094168 - 10/17/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
could be both when they allowed people to register and vote in
the same day, snatching up the homeless and
allowing/encouraging them to use addresses like the YMCA




So homeless dont have the right to vote, is that what you're saying?

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094197 - 10/17/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

Ferris said:
I told ya the FBI would get flack for leaking that




sometimes information is deliberately leaked, it helps to get people to come forward




I'll give you that.  Ethics meets the real world.  If they tell that to the investigators of the investigation, it'll be called off.


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #9094226 - 10/17/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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The_Red_Crayon said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
could be both when they allowed people to register and vote in
the same day, snatching up the homeless and
allowing/encouraging them to use addresses like the YMCA




So homeless dont have the right to vote, is that what you're saying?




absolutely not, I just dont believe you should be allowed to
register and vote in the same day, I believe that you should
have to be registered 30 days prior to voting as that was the
intent in the laws in ohio, unfortunately like many laws, it
allowed for abuse when they started the early polling at 32
days before the general election, I'm of the opinion that if
you need an early vote, have it a week before, gonna be out
of town, an absentee ballot and still be registered 30 days
prior to that vote

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Ferris]
    #9094243 - 10/17/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Ferris said:
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sometimes information is deliberately leaked, it helps to get people to come forward




If they tell that to the investigators of the investigation, it'll be called off.




no it wont, it could still potentially strip votes from
obama, his people wontallow it, the good part is if that
'leak' is from the FBI, they are exempted from prosecution on
the federal, if they were charged at the state level they
could petition it to be move before the federal courts and
have it dismissed

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094306 - 10/17/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I believe that the FBI (or its agents) can be prosecuted if the Attorney General allows it (I heard that somewhere, I think a government class, but I might have misheard).  So lets hope they don't let this drag in to January.  Of course, there are still the possibilities of internal investigations, legislative committees (also highly unlikely).  Let's just remember that this is just a fact-finding investigation (both of them), not anything directly leading to prosecution.


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094339 - 10/17/08 10:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:
could be both when they allowed people to register and vote in
the same day, snatching up the homeless and
allowing/encouraging them to use addresses like the YMCA




So homeless dont have the right to vote, is that what you're saying?




absolutely not, I just dont believe you should be allowed to
register and vote in the same day, I believe that you should
have to be registered 30 days prior to voting as that was the
intent in the laws in ohio, unfortunately like many laws, it
allowed for abuse when they started the early polling at 32
days before the general election, I'm of the opinion that if
you need an early vote, have it a week before, gonna be out
of town, an absentee ballot and still be registered 30 days
prior to that vote




Im not going to disagree with you there, ACORN and its practices sure seem to be suspicious, however I play devils advocate here, so you might see me come from the left and come from the right. However i consider myself a conservative mostly.

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Ferris]
    #9094362 - 10/17/08 10:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Ferris said:
I believe that the FBI (or its agents) can be prosecuted if the Attorney General allows it




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi
In 1997, Boundary County, Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, with the help of special prosecutor Stephen Yagman, charged Horiuchi in state court with involuntary manslaughter. Horiuchi successfully petitioned to remove the case to federal court,[4] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[1]




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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094483 - 10/17/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ya, but I believe its outside the "scope of their employment" (or can be construed as such on a temporary basis) to leak information in a shut case that has the ability to effect the outcome of an election.

Clarification: I'm not talking about my own views per se on this one, just how serious men with specific powers are going to be viewing it.


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094488 - 10/17/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:


absolutely not, I just dont believe you should be allowed to
register and vote in the same day, I believe that you should
have to be registered 30 days prior to voting as that was the
intent in the laws in ohio, unfortunately like many laws, it
allowed for abuse when they started the early polling at 32
days before the general election, I'm of the opinion that if
you need an early vote, have it a week before, gonna be out
of town, an absentee ballot and still be registered 30 days
prior to that vote




why do you believe that a citizen shouldnt be allowed to register and vote on the same day?


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Ferris]
    #9094519 - 10/17/08 11:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Ferris said:
Ya, but I believe its outside the "scope of their employment" (or can be construed as such on a temporary basis) to leak information in a shut case that has the ability to effect the outcome of an election.






funny... must have been me that leaked it, I posted the info a week ago

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094533 - 10/17/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

They leaked information about the investigation itself and of its scope.  They weren't supposed to do that.  That part is pretty simple.  You well know what the implications of leaking that kind of information are.  If it were no big deal, this thread wouldn't exist.

I'm not saying something will come of this, just that it was enough of a breech of protocol to get the attention of the higher-ups, and not just the ones already paying attention to it.


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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: MrBump]
    #9094544 - 10/17/08 11:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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thecornking said:
why do you believe that a citizen shouldnt be allowed to register and vote on the same day?



voter fraud? seems that it's a little easier to get away with
if you can do it at a dozen places in one afternoon, as
america doesnt require the voters to slap their name on
ballots and cross reference them against the voter ID and a
drivers license it seems like it may be difficult to
determine which ones should be thrown out to keep the
election fair

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Re: Obama Wants to Prosecute Those Seeking to Prevent Vote Fraud [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9094554 - 10/17/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Fair? You don't think both sides had people voting in multiple places?


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