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Mushroom ID in North east USA
    #9076592 - 10/14/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hello, as you can see Im new to the forum. I cant seem to find this particular mushroom anywhere in my books and its really bothering me.

The spore print is white.
The stem is hollow even.
The top of the mushroom indents quite deeply into the stem in some of the older mushrooms (the older ones tend to flair upwards and wrinkle along the edges vs the younger ones that tend to be more round and down turned like umbrellas).
The mushrooms were quite tightly clustered but didnt seem to share stalks.
The mushrooms did seem to grow in a sort of circular fairy ring.
They were found under lots of oak trees with damn soil, and small other plants.
It smelled a little earthy when fresh, but now that it is dry it has no smell.
I found it in connecticut, in north east america at N 41.84 degrees, W 072.17 degrees, and at an altitude of 143m.

Top side and bottom side - be sure to click on both pics for a bigger version!!

http://www.freewebs.com/zapins/apps/photos/album.jsp?albumID=2693088

Edited by Alan Rockefeller (10/14/08 03:33 PM)

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9076658 - 10/14/08 03:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)






Are you sure the print is white?

Looks a bit like Tubaria, but that would have more of an orange print. 

You can include these pics in your post by right clicking on a pic on your web site and selecting copy image location, then paste the image location between [img] tags.

Also I edited your post to remove the exact location.  Probably does not really matter in this case since its not an active species.

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9078856 - 10/14/08 10:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the help with the images, I couldn't seem to get them to work right.

Yes the spore print is quite white. I forgot to mention that I collected them on september 30th 2008.

What do you mean its not an active species?

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9079190 - 10/14/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you mean its not an active species?




I mean that it does not contain psilocybin.  I realize that you didn't ask but often when people post ID requests, that is what they want to know.

I had no idea what it is so I posted it on MO

http://www.mushroomobserver.org/12646

Shroomydan says he thinks it could be a Laccaria

The gills don't look like Laccaria but the rest of the mushroom matches really well and he is probably right.

It would be interesting to see the spores, Laccaria has cool spiky spores. 

I wish I had given some Laccaria spores to scout24 when he had access to the SEM.



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No striking pink/purple gills on this one. Boring old Laccaria cf. laccata from the look. The exact species can generally only be determined microscopically.

In response to “the top of the mushroom indents quite deeply into the stem in some of the older mushrooms (the older ones tend to flair upwards and wrinkle along the edges vs the younger ones that tend to be more round and convex)”:

I find this interesting, given similar behavior by Cantharellula umbonata and my finding C. umbonata and Laccaria sp. in close proximity in one area, and scattered in generally similar habitats. Perhaps there’s a relationship between Cantharellula and Laccaria?

The taxonomists currently have Cantharellula languishing in the catch-all Tricholomataceae, but have placed Laccaria elsewhere, which facts neither suggest nor refute such a notion.





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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9079315 - 10/14/08 11:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Sure doesn't look like a Laccaria to me.  The gills are just wrong.


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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9079965 - 10/15/08 06:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I can have a look under a microscope, I'm not sure I'll be able to see the spiky spokes clearly but I'll have a look sometime this week.

Do you think this mushroom could be a foreign species, or possibly some kind of strange hybrid?

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9081168 - 10/15/08 12:15 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I can have a look under a microscope, I'm not sure I'll be able to see the spiky spokes clearly but I'll have a look sometime this week.

Do you think this mushroom could be a foreign species, or possibly some kind of strange hybrid?





You'll be able to see the spikes no problem under 1000x. 

Probably not a foreign species or strange hybrid, more likely a rare species or an unusual form of a common species.

You can try putting the camera right up to the microscope eyepiece, that actually works.

Let us know what you see. 

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9085519 - 10/16/08 08:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I found out that Laccaria are distinctive for having a milky substance ooze out of any cuts/wounds. The mushroom I found didn't seem to do this as far as I can recall.

Are there any chantherelles or false chantherelles that it could be?

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9085586 - 10/16/08 08:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Polyporus radicatus - Rooting Polypore

Armillariella tabescens - Ringless Honey Mushroom


I think it could be one of these two. Hard to tell if I'm right. Even harder is to tell which of the two.

Don't take my word for it as I'm probably wrong!


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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9085869 - 10/16/08 10:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Irene Andersson, who may be the best mushroom identifier in the world, noticed that the two pictures are not the same species.  The first is a Laccaria, you can see the purplish gills where they are upturned.  The second picture is of a Tubaria.

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9085972 - 10/16/08 11:05 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I don't mean to be difficult, but, I am quite confused. How could they not be the same species? The mushrooms were all growing in the same spot, they were all part of the same fairy ring, were all the same color and type as far as I can tell and the gills all looked the same on each of the mushrooms above in the first picture.

I dried the samples, I can take more photos of them and post if they would be helpful? The color seems to have faded a bit though.

The gills did not strike me as being purple when fresh (at least not by any measure that I could see - the first picture does not show correct gill color). The top right mushroom in the first picture (the rounded one) is the mushroom I chose to take a gill picture of in the second picture.

*Edit*
I thought I should point out that the color of the gills looked more like the gills of the middle mushroom in the first picture (top left portion) rather than the upturned gills that are facing us head on at the bottom of the mushroom (I think there is some kind of shadow being cast here making it look purple).

I can also post higher resolution close ups of the mushrooms in the top picture (the upturned gill sections or any other part of the photo ) if it would be helpful.

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9086025 - 10/16/08 11:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well there are lots of species that grow in the middle of other clutches.

I also believe there is an edible mushroom and it's poisonous look-alike ONLY grows with the edible bunch.

I'm forgetting the name of that particular species. However, different species grow together all the time.


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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9086066 - 10/16/08 11:25 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Another thing to add though.

You state that the picture of the gills are from the mushroom on the right-hand side. Then they're obviously the same mushroom. After all, you took the pictures, so you'd know.


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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9086158 - 10/16/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

if thats the case then they are all likely Tubaria  :hi:

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Zapins]
    #9086216 - 10/16/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

More and better photographs will help.  I would like to see the fairy ring if possible.  Not to doubt Irene, but no one is correct 100% of the time, no one.  (more than likely she is correct though)

It never hurts to add more data.  :thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9086297 - 10/16/08 12:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Does she have an ID here??


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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #9086995 - 10/16/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

No, but you can contact her through mushroomobserver, possibly by adding comments to the observation


My guess is that Tubaria and Laccaria were growing near each other and they look similar enough that you didn't notice that there were actually two different species.  But maybe they are both Tubaria.

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9087934 - 10/16/08 06:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What's the full name??


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    #9087977 - 10/16/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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What's the full name??




It would take some more pictures and maybe a microscope to get the full name for sure but it might be Laccaria laccata and Tubaria furfuracea.

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Re: Mushroom ID in North east USA [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #9089104 - 10/16/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well of the two species Alan mentioned the one with the white spore print is the Laccaria laccata. The other species exhibits a brown print.

It sure does look like the Laccaria too. Great ID to whoever guessed it. The species in question also look pretty wilted, for lack of a better term.


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