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Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek?
    #9064994 - 10/11/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm doing  WBS in 1/2 pint jars.  Couple of questions:

If using tyvek, do you still need a 1/2" layer of verm. at the top?

How many layers of tyvek do I use?

And the jar lid with 4 holes is still used on top of the tyvek right?


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9065005 - 10/11/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

EDIT: misread I though you were doing BRF.. :hehehe:

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9065019 - 10/11/08 09:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm doing  WBS in 1/2 pint jars.  Couple of questions:

If using tyvek, do you still need a 1/2" layer of verm. at the top?

How many layers of tyvek do I use?

And the jar lid with 4 holes is still used on top of the tyvek right?




What exactly do you plan on doing with 1/2 pint WBS jars after they colonize?

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Damion5050]
    #9065025 - 10/11/08 10:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

why would you use a verm layer when using wbs?
you are supposed to leave a little room so you can shake the jars
just use tyvek

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9065128 - 10/11/08 10:41 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, if you are using WBS I assume you are using them it for grain jars. So, you will be shaking them regardless. Using the dry verm layer is for cakes, and is used to keep contams out as you probably know. So, when you shake up the jars all of the dry verm would spread throughout the jars along with the contams housed in it.

To answer your question I would say to use the tyvek, but if you are using the WBS for cakes then you will want the dry verm without the tyvek...That's what I would do anyway.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: MHbound]
    #9065141 - 10/11/08 10:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Just in case; you use WBS, RYE, POPCORN, OATS, or w/e as a grain, we call it grain to distinguish the technique, even though brown rice is also a grain. Using WBS, you are supposed to inoculate the jar wait till it hits 20-30% colonization, then you shake it up vigorously to evenly distribute the mycellium everywhere, then when the mic recovers it is all over the jar and it is 100% colonized. You do not shake a BRF jar, because it is in cake form and you really cant shake it. Colonization is slower with cakes, but cakes are very fool proof and since you don't have to shake them, the dry verm layer can replace the need for tyvek, micropore tape, polyfill or w/e , and you can steam sterilize cakes instead of PC.  This  & grain to grain transfers is basicly what distinguishes the two.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
    #9065165 - 10/11/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

T2K what you say is true EXCEPT  Using WBS, you are supposed to inoculate the jar, when it hits 20-30% colonization,?????????????????
HOW CAN IT COLONIZE WHEN ITS NOT KNOCKED UP??
i that that was  a type o but you you do have a good point

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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9065170 - 10/11/08 11:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hah it must have been a typo. You noc up the jar first, then wait till it hits 20-30% to shake it up.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
    #9065197 - 10/11/08 11:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ok thats what i thought
just didnt want a noob to read this and think its posible
im a noob myself but i know alot just from the short time i have been here:)

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not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9065416 - 10/12/08 12:26 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

my plan was to spawn the WBS to coir/verm/coffee.  so if that's the plan then i leave space at the top of the jars to shake right?  and just use tyvek.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9065424 - 10/12/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yep i would suggest using QT jars also,pints will work too you just have to do more of them

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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9065434 - 10/12/08 12:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yeah i was gonna use quarts but i already had 1/2 pints so decided to cheap out.  thanks for the help!


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9065454 - 10/12/08 12:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

oh i forgot to ask...with the tyvek envelopes, i just use one layer (one side) of the envelope?


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9065461 - 10/12/08 12:50 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yea 1 layer is all you need
you can get a dozen squares out of 1 envelope

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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9065672 - 10/12/08 05:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Put the tyvek above the lid, not below.  Putting it above ensures it stays dry.  After you inoculate, place a piece of micropore tape over the hole the syringe makes.

As an alternative, you can use micropore tape alone, and skip the tyvek.  Simply put another piece over any hole left by a syringe.  This can also be done with brf cakes, thus skipping the dry verm.
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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9065686 - 10/12/08 05:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I used my tyvek undr the lid I have 12 pints knocked up with wbs used myc from fresh cakes

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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: muddypotter]
    #9066310 - 10/12/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

so if you put the tyvek above the lid, i'm guessing you have to just put one big hole in the middle of the lid to inoculate through?  it seems like it would be hard to find the holes through the tyvek.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9066329 - 10/12/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You put your holes in the lids on 4 sides preferably. You put the metal lid on, then the tyvek, and finally screw the lid on. You just stick the needle through the tyvek.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: Black_Dog]
    #9066344 - 10/12/08 11:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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so if you put the tyvek above the lid, i'm guessing you have to just put one big hole in the middle of the lid to inoculate through?  it seems like it would be hard to find the holes through the tyvek.




No, you'd have to poke through the tyvek. There are no holes in it before inoculation, at least not supposed to be. If you have no micropore tape, put a fresh bandaide over the hole right after inoculation.


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Re: Do I need a verm layer if using Tyvek? [Re: T2K_Rusty]
    #9066352 - 10/12/08 11:21 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

^^

Yea I forgot about that. Go by the porous medical tape at the store. It's only a few dollars, and will save you some headaches.


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