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Offlineanyone420
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Firearm carrying soccer mom
    #9001439 - 09/29/08 06:38 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.ldnews.com/lebanonnews/ci_10545914

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What’s the difference between a bulldog and a soccer mom?

In the case of Meleanie Hain, it’s a loaded sidearm.

On Sept. 11, Hain created a stir among other parents when she wore her weapon — a loaded Glock 26, about the size of an adult hand — in a holster to her 5-year-old daughter’s soccer game at Optimist Park in Lebanon, also known as Southwest Park.

Although shedid not break a law by carrying the weapon openly, she is now facing the loss of her concealed-weapons permit. But she is not giving up without a fight.

“I’m just a soccer mom who has always openly carried (a firearm), and I’ve never had a problem before,” she said. “I don’t understand why this is
Five-year-old Isabella Hain gives her mother a hug before heading onto the field yesterday. Former District Judge Nigel Foundling, who serves as director of the Lebanon Recreation Youth Soccer Program, told Isabella s mom in an e-mail that carrying a weapon violates the program s policy. A responsible adult would realize that such behavior has no place at a soccer game, Foundling wrote. (Jim Zengerle / Lebanon Daily News)
happening to me.”

Parents were upset by the presence of the weapon at the game being played by 4- and 5-year-olds, said Charlie Jones, who coaches one of three under-age-6 teams, known as U6, in the Lebanon Recreation Youth Soccer program.

“More than one parent was upset,” he said. “I did not see it, but it was brought to my attention.”

Jones, who is also the county’s public defender, said he wasn’t certain if Hain was breaking the law by wearing the gun, so he did not ask her to remove it. However, he explained to her that its presence was making parents upset and asked her to view the game from the other side of the field, away from the sideline were the kids were standing. She
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complied but continued to wear her holstered weapon, he said.

There was no confrontation, and police were not called to the park, Jones said.

Hain’s version of events is roughly the same as Jones’. However, she claims he raised his voice and talked over her when they spoke after the game. He denies that.

“His basic message to me was that if I was not carrying it because I was concerned about the other parents, then I should leave it off the field and keep it in the car,” she said.

Hain, who lives in Lebanon and operates a small business she declined to specify, said she carries her gun everywhere as a security measure and had worn it to her daughter’s other games and practices, but it was never noticed.

Hain was not breaking the law by wearing a holstered weapon, claimed her attorney, Robert Magee of Allentown.

“The state has a law requiring a license to carry a concealed firearm, but it does not require a license to openly carry one. ... Carrying a firearm openly is legal everywhere but in Philadelphia,” he said.




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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001459 - 09/29/08 06:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If the youth soccer program has a policy against carrying a loaded weapon around 5 year old kids, then she should abide by it.

Call me crazy, but I can understand why some might be concerned about this (whether rational or not).


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001489 - 09/29/08 07:16 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Lebanon???


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: zouden]
    #9001521 - 09/29/08 07:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

This story is from Lebanon, Pennsylvania USA.

If a cop, FBI field agent or DEA special agent armed with a Glock-26 sat in the stands and watched that game would any of those irrational parents say a thing? Nope. Not a solitary word. But somehow a soccer mom that is licensed by the state to carry a firearm is different than a peace officer licensed by the state to carry a firearm, I don't think so.

Edited by Chemy (09/29/08 07:48 AM)

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: Chemy]
    #9001549 - 09/29/08 07:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

yeah i just find it funnny


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: badchad]
    #9001569 - 09/29/08 08:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
If the youth soccer program has a policy against carrying a loaded weapon around 5 year old kids, then she should abide by it.

Call me crazy, but I can understand why some might be concerned about this (whether rational or not).




Had this taken place on private property, you would be correct.  Private property owners have the right to make whatever rules they want. 

However, it's public property.


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001653 - 09/29/08 08:39 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I would assume that when she joined the soccer organization she signed some type of contract.  If the contract limited carrying firearms to events, and that is the organizations policy, she should abide by it.

I never understood why some people voluntarily join private organizations, then defy the rules and make it a huge issue.  If you disagree with the organization's rules, don't join.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: badchad]
    #9001661 - 09/29/08 08:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The only people making it an issue are the people that don't like it.

It's public property.

Deal with it?


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001778 - 09/29/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Meh, I'm no a lawyer but its an interesting case.  I've been to national parks, and other government funded, "public" parks and playgrounds and clearly seen signs prohibiting weapons.

I would also think that by paying a fee, and renting and/or leasing the land for the soccer game, the soccer organization gets some type of jurisdiction of what they can and cannot do.

IMO regardless of what the law legally says someone can or cannot do, there is something more subjective called "common courtesy".  If i voluntarily join a private organization, and said organization asks me not to do something,  I would comply, or withdraw from it.  However thats just me.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001785 - 09/29/08 09:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if it adds a psychological advantage when the opponents know one of the parents is armed.

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: badchad]
    #9001801 - 09/29/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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badchad said:
Meh, I'm no a lawyer but its an interesting case.  I've been to national parks, and other government funded, "public" parks and playgrounds and clearly seen signs prohibiting weapons.

I would also think that by paying a fee, and renting and/or leasing the land for the soccer game, the soccer organization gets some type of jurisdiction of what they can and cannot do.

IMO regardless of what the law legally says someone can or cannot do, there is something more subjective called "common courtesy".  If i voluntarily join a private organization, and said organization asks me not to do something,  I would comply, or withdraw from it.  However thats just me.




True, then again how many bad guys really care about the law..


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001811 - 09/29/08 09:29 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

They got them folks up north brainwashed to think guns are bad and only gov types should have them, haha.


Every time I read an article like this about the north it just makes me not want to go back up there even more.

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: John Nada]
    #9001813 - 09/29/08 09:30 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i was at a party tho and a dj was strapped. it was a bit shocking to see i have to admit tho. its strange when someone is openly and legally armed.


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: thedudenj]
    #9001830 - 09/29/08 09:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hahaha

But yeah, y'all are so conditioned and brainwashed it's not even really funny.

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: badchad]
    #9001867 - 09/29/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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IMO regardless of what the law legally says someone can or cannot do, there is something more subjective called "common courtesy". 




would common courtesy also not extend to the person that feels
the need for one of humanities basic instincts, self preservation?

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9001892 - 09/29/08 09:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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would common courtesy also not extend to the person that feels
the need for one of humanities basic instincts, self preservation?




Sure.

In this case however, we're talking about a private group that someone has voluntarily joined.  If the group decides that it wants to give up self preservation by banning firearms, they should be able to.  No one is forcing you to join the group, you are voluntarily accepting the terms required for entrance into the group.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001927 - 09/29/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Shes not playing soccer. 

Shes watching soccer.

On public property.

Carrying a gun.

Legally.

The gun doesn't start firing on its own, you know?

I would argue that everyone there is safer as a result, not put in more danger.


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001940 - 09/29/08 10:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder why she feels the need to carry one in the first place. What happened to her in her past to feel the need to carry one everywhere she goes? Is she just super paranoid for the safty of her kids? Whatever the reason, if my wife wanted to carry a gun on her 24/7 i would let her. But i would call home before walking in the door late at night lol.


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: Kada]
    #9001948 - 09/29/08 10:15 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's not what happened.  It's what could happen.. its for self defense.


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Re: Firearm carrying soccer mom [Re: anyone420]
    #9001966 - 09/29/08 10:19 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm all for the right to bear arms, but she should have it concealed. I can't carry my gun in plain sight, and i don't want people to start. It just causes problems, and scares the shit out of people. Who knows if the person next to you with a hostered weapon in plain veiw is going to end up being crazy and start shooting people. Most likely they wont, but everyone that see's it will be freaked out none the less.


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