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quick question on my BE?
    #8968516 - 09/22/08 02:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ok i had 1 lb of spawn and straw (+/-). I got 12 oz +/-wet. (i think?) dry weight was 1 oz 34 gram. 1 flush only. I think between 85-100 BE?  not bad for where i was growing?
This was using straw/spawn no poo. Also i just used a shotgun FC and hand misted. In a building with no heat. Temps 65 to 80. humidity was 85-90 in box. What i would like to know will my BE change when i set up my greenhouse and keep temps and humidty even?

Will i get 200% BE next time with the greenhouse?Just wanted to see what you guys think? I'm thinking 150% or so BE out of straw/WBS? So i think will get 2 and half oz out of a lb straw log?sound right?


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8968565 - 09/22/08 02:51 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What is BE?

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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: creekfreek]
    #8968604 - 09/22/08 03:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: rev 766]
    #8968635 - 09/22/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Biological efficiency


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8968682 - 09/22/08 03:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

how do you go about calculating that? please share.

even though i don't know anything about figuring biological efficiency, my educated guess would be:

1. yes, BE will go up with better conditions, and
2. wouldn't 100% be the highest? are you talking in
  comparison to your last project?
either way, if you have a better set up, your mycelium will definitely do better. as for what your yield will be...no one can ever really know that until the pinset.


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: rev 766]
    #8969004 - 09/22/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You figured it incorrectly, because it's based on the dry weight of the subtrate and the dry weight of the mushrooms.  It's only important in commercial grow ops where they're using hundreds of tons of substrate, when a slight change in BE can affect bottom line.  It's common to get over 200% BE with straw/horse manure when you have all your ducks in a row.  PF cakes produce the highest rate of BE I've ever seen, approaching 300% over a few flushes.
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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: rev 766]
    #8969012 - 09/22/08 05:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

well from what i have gathered botton mushrooms will grow 100% BE. 1 dry lb of sub=1 wet lb of mushrooms. searched on here cubes should be about 200% using normal mushrooms as a refrence. so one lb dry sub should= 2 lb wet of cubes.2 lb wet-90% water gives your dry. just wanted to see what figures everyone else has. Helps to see if your doing it right.


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8969036 - 09/22/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I was thinking of growing something other then cubes too. So what your saying unless i do by the ton not to worrie about it lol? My dad grows potatos you can get a ruff count on how many lbs you get out by how many lb you put in.thats if your get enough water.

RR in your video you say you get 10 lb wet on the first flush off that landry basket. how many lb of straw did you used on that? Is that normal?


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8969223 - 09/22/08 05:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That laundry basket was about normal for a great fruiting strain like what was used.  I've seen better and worse.  I didn't weigh the straw that went into that basket, so there is no way to figure BE.  From previous experience though, I'd say it was about +/- 200%.
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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #8969406 - 09/22/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

RR , B.E. is based on the dry weight of the substrate to the wet weight of the mushrooms .

If it were dry to dry , a 10 pound piece of colonized poo , which is roughly 3.3 pounds of dry sub , would have to produce 6.6 pounds of dry mushrooms to get 200% BE , or 66 pounds of wet fruit ,and we all know that just doesn't happen , no matter how hard we all try ,lol.

Or in the case of a pf jar , which contains 1 ounce of BRF , that cake would produce 3 ounces of dry fruit if it were dry sub to dry fruit .

It's dry sub to wet fruit . So that 10 pound piece of poo would have to produce 6.6 pounds of wet fruit , or about 10 1/2 ounces of dry fruit:thumbup:for 200% BE . and that jar would produce about 7 grams of dry fruit for 200% .

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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: HippieChick]
    #8969514 - 09/22/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

so hippiechick i made 7 straw logs using 12 quart jars. I weight the wbs dry its about 1 lb of seed (+/-) to a jar. I used two landry baskets full of straw. About 8 lbs of straw.that did 14.5 feet of 8" logs total. 12 lb wbs+ 8 lb straw =20 lb = 2 lb dry (+/-):confused: I'm going to go little less say 1.5-2 lb dry? should last me awhile:crazy2:lol ya i don t drink and had to give up pot.(gov job):mad2: Shrooms Safe for pee test, i know 24 hr does not show.


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8969628 - 09/22/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Your calculations would be for 100%BE .

20 pounds dry sub giving you 20 pounds wet fruit , or about 2 pounds dry fruit:thumbup:

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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: HippieChick]
    #8969683 - 09/22/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:eek: o so bump that up to 200% for cubes?ok so i did not miss read the post i looked up. 20 lbx2(200%) 40 lb wet. so i'm somewhere 2 lb-4 lb dry?ok i'll keep you all posted when done.i weight everything, see what i get and post the results.
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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8969700 - 09/22/08 07:35 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

That's if you know what you're doing and do it .:grin:It's not set in stone .

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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: HippieChick]
    #8969763 - 09/22/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)




this is what i got last time :crazy2: 1 lb wbs not that much straw don't think it tipped the scale? 1 oz 35 g dry. so i think i was around 100% BE? on that one? out of shotgun fc hand mist. going to set up greenhouse with cool mist.


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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8969980 - 09/22/08 08:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

RR , B.E. is based on the dry weight of the substrate to the wet weight of the mushrooms.




He he..Can't believe I missed that twice.  Once typing it and once proofreading it. :fishsmack:
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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: deadmeat986]
    #8969995 - 09/22/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hi HippieChick,

Quote:

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RR , B.E. is based on the dry weight of the substrate to the wet weight of the mushrooms .




My understanding is different.  I maybe incorrect, please let me know.  For reference to other members I'm going to cite the book "Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook".

The reason I'm unsure is how can there be a linear relationship between dry sub and fresh mushrooms?  So many extra variables it seems hard to pin down, let alone prove.  The % of moisture is my biggest question.  How is that standardized and what are the standard % for dry substrate (e.g. 20-30% moisture content)? 

Also, it is not easily feasible (or inexpensive) to dry pounds, let alone tons of bulk in order to weigh it.  This alone seems to mean it's not measured by dry weight.  Or do most commercial mushroom growers receive dry substrate?  (It would seem less expensive to ship that way...)

Thank you :smile:

Hippie, this isn't for you, forgive me if it's basic info.  I include it for reference to members reading not familiar with the concept of B.E:

"Psilocybin Mushroom Handbook; Easy Indoor & Outdoor Cultivation"
by L.G. Nicholas and Kerry Ogame; Quick Trading, 2006
p.187 (Appendix D)

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Biological efficiency:
The inherent ability of a mushroom species to convert the materials of its substrate into mushrooms.  100% B.E. means a 25% conversion of the wet substrate weight into fresh mushrooms, or 10% of the dry substrate into dried.



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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: quickpick]
    #8970043 - 09/22/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

There's several ways growers calculate it, but the most common is dry substrate to freshly harvested mushrooms, right or wrong.  That's why I said it's really not important for home growers, but becomes increasingly important for commercial mushroom farms that deal in truckloads.
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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: quickpick]
    #8970044 - 09/22/08 08:45 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

or...

I guess if it's for edibles you would want them moist to market.  Still, how does one have a linear relationship?  To me moist to moist and dry to dry makes the most logical sense.

Thank you, :smile:

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Re: quick question on my BE? [Re: quickpick]
    #8970055 - 09/22/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

RR,

Thank you.  You posted while I was typing.  :smile:

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