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eseare
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Regret the verm casing! Would like questions answered now that the trays are in the FC
#8839000 - 08/27/08 09:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know there is much controversy over the decision whether or not to add bottom layers. I have read many many many posts about how in some eyes this is beneficial to provide an extra source of moisture and many saying that it doesn't give enough beneficial effect to over weigh the possibility of contams. The threads Ive read all have to do with verm though. My question is what is the best way to layer with coir. Oatmans tek says to mix the first layer of substrate and coir together than evenly spread the top with a layer of substrate as a fast way of top colonization giving more of a contam barrier.
Anyone have any innovative ways to use coir and WBS? This is my first attempt at using coir and WBS so I want to get the best results possible.
Edited by eseare (09/09/08 10:58 PM)
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8839012 - 08/27/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not needed. More work, more risk, negligible benefits.
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8839013 - 08/27/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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you dont case to coir, you spawn your WBS to coir, let the mycelium colonize it 100% and then cover that "CAKE" in moist verm and youre good to go.,
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eseare
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: djblackout]
#8839033 - 08/27/08 10:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good ish... So is it better to have the bottom layer WBS and cover with coir or should I mix the 2 together?
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: djblackout]
#8839048 - 08/27/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
djblackout said: you dont case to coir, you spawn your WBS to coir, let the mycelium colonize it 100% and then cover that "CAKE" in moist verm and youre good to go.,
Yep.. I use Peat/verm 50/50 mix to case tho
Bottom layer, what I do in my trays is layer the bottom with a THIN layer of plain moist Verm and put that in the oven when I pasteurize my bulk substrate. (just to kill any mold spores that may have landed on it)
I did find in my personal use with no layer on the bottom the shrooms were smaller when they grew... but that's not to say it will happen to yours or anyone elses.
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8839101 - 08/27/08 10:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
eseare said: Good ish... So is it better to have the bottom layer WBS and cover with coir or should I mix the 2 together?
It'll colonize faster if you mix them.
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eseare
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8839197 - 08/27/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Makes sense. I was thinking the same thaning. Didnt wanna make a boner move though and get stuck in a hard place. Thanks for the input.
Do these jars appear colonized enough to move forward? Before you ask the 1/2 pints are due to the fact that my large PC sharted all over me so Im stuck with using a 6qt for the time being.
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8839201 - 08/27/08 10:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you lay down a layer of coir, then the WBS on top, you can mix them with light shake of the pan/tub. That way you don't have to stick any foreign objects in there.
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eseare
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: gluvbox]
#8839213 - 08/27/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn. Why do all the simple ideas that make sense not come to mind. Thanks to all of you for the quick replys. Im trying to get this done soon and it WILL be because of ya'll
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8839244 - 08/27/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not true i have used the bottom layer always. and havent had a single contam on my trays. I use Coir verm and hydrated lime on the bottom and top GOOD results.;)
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: gethyn]
#8839580 - 08/27/08 11:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just mix everything up with my bare hands. It hasn't been a problem thus far, don't see why it would. When it all turns white go ahead and case it.
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: ray40cal]
#8843190 - 08/28/08 06:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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So last night I spawned my WBS to 2 circular 4 pint rubbermaids(pics will be posted later). Anyway, I used half of my quart jar of WBS with 1 quart of coir. I mixed these together and topped with 1 1/2 pint of WBS for quick top colonization to act as a contaminate barrier. This procedure was done for both containers. The final depth is roughly 3.5 inches. Any comments, suggestions, concerns, feedback etc....?
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8843778 - 08/28/08 07:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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aybody have a better wbs to coir ratio for this smaller size container (4 pint round rubbermaid that is about 4.5 inches deep)? And since this is smaller, does anyone recommend a larger casing layer?
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8843853 - 08/28/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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what is the dimensions of your container that u are using
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eseare
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: Damion5050]
#8843962 - 08/28/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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they are 4 pint total capacity.... roughly 7.5 inches diameter by 4.5 deep
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8844003 - 08/28/08 08:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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The casing layer should be about 1" deep, regardless of surface area. Higher spawn to bulk ratio = faster 100% colonization.
It has been recommended to me, to keep my substrate around three or four inches thick, (I just take my penis and multiply by two to find the proper depth).
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Edited by BrandNewbie (08/28/08 08:34 PM)
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8844038 - 08/28/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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fuck i gotta multiply by 4 and i cant even add right!!!
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: BrandNewbie]
#8844095 - 08/28/08 08:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bottom layers might not cause problems, but they're useless. If it's water that's sought, consider that you would have about the same amount of water in an extra inch of spawned substrate on the bottom. All that's happening is that the mycelium now has to put additional effort into getting that water, and if the layer has no nutes, that's effort the mycelium could have used to make more shrooms.
I would guess that between a 3" casing, and a 3" casing with an inch of field capacity verm at the bottom, the plain casing would produce a better yield. I'm not 100% sure, but it would make an interesting experiment. I feel confident though, that a 4" casing would beat out a 3" casing with a 1" layer at the bottom.
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: Rahz] 1
#8844271 - 08/28/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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interesting read...i will have to keep these notes in mind.
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Re: Casing with coir. To add bottom layer or not? tis the question [Re: eseare]
#8844351 - 08/28/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you are using pint jars, take a clean jar and fill it with vermiculite. Then dump the vermiculite into your tray. Keep doing this until the vermiculite is four inches deep. Now, how many jars did you empty into your tray? Lets say you emptied six jars of verm into the tray in order to reach the four inch mark. This being the case, if you then mix four jars of substrate with two jars of spawn, you will have enough to fill your tray with a 2:4 ratio.
There! You just figured it out without doing, (hardly), any math.
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