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Cornfield
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pure o2 fruiting chamber
#8774279 - 08/14/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Im just throwing an idea out here so dont flame me to bad if its retarded ok?
I have cultivated with the pf cakes several times with great results and want to move onto casing.
I have an oxygen concentrator and was wondering what the effects would be in this setup. These machines usually vary in pure o2 but average between 90/95% pure oxygen. the oxygen concentrators have several highly effective filters in them. before the outlet oxygen comes out of the machine it is ran through a bacteria filter. As you can see in the picture there is a humidifier inline which i would fill with ph balanced distilled water.
My idea is that the concentrator will be set up on a timer to run several times a day filling a 100% sealed fruiting chamber with oxygen, and forcing the co2 out a one way outlet around the bottom of the chamber.
Lets say conditions are "ideal". All substrate ph balanced to 7.5 as well as ph balanced distilled water. I would be using WBS from a myco-bag cased with coco coir hydrated lime, gypsum, kelp meal and blood meal.
The fruiting chamber will be completely air tight and sterile, with sterile oxygen. Saturated perlite would line the bottom of the chamber and id also have a 1 way inlet to replace any moisture loss of the perlit.
With these "ideal circumstances" would the pure oxygen and complete lack of co2 have a dramatic effect on the quality of the harvest?
Your thoughts are appreciated!
Edited by Cornfield (08/14/08 06:31 PM)
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Cornfield]
#8774426 - 08/14/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting.
I'd imagine that any benifit would be so little that going to that effort would be just too much work.
I seem to remember RR posting that the ideal air for shrooms was sominthing like
89% nitrogen 21% O2
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: veda_sticks]
#8774654 - 08/14/08 07:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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really... so if i put my nitrogen tank on a slow leak into my grow chaimber... LOLZ
honestly... i dont think its worth it..
Edited by R10tGuNn3r (08/14/08 07:56 PM)
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Cornfield
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Cornfield]
#8774777 - 08/14/08 08:14 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well what im basing my theory on is solely on the fact that fungi consume oxygen and give off carbon dioxide, opposite to plants. I figured with 90/95% oxygen they would flourish like crazy. Id like to hear some educated responses to this. regular air is 21% oxygen, 78% nitrogen, with a little argon and some other things in the mix. I know when growing plants of any kind if you increase the co2 they grow like you gave them crack. why wouldnt this be true with fungi if you reversed it and increased o2 and eliminated co2? id love to hear some educated responses.
Edited by Cornfield (08/14/08 08:29 PM)
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Cornfield]
#8774828 - 08/14/08 08:22 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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working with oxygen can be dangerous.
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: veda_sticks]
#8774852 - 08/14/08 08:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
veda_sticks said:
I seem to remember RR posting that the ideal air for shrooms was sominthing like
89% nitrogen 21% O2
ya I would have to agree that 110 % of anything is better than the normal 100% every one is use too
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: fee]
#8774889 - 08/14/08 08:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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sounds logical feed them oxy. like ya feed cannabis co2 since ya have experience and ya didn't get flamed at all
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Cornfield
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: fee]
#8774895 - 08/14/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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durban_poison said: working with oxygen can be dangerous.
Yes working with oxygen can be dangerous but not as much as you think. I have experience as i used to work for a medical equipment supplier as a respiratory therapist. I delivered and set up medical equipment in patients homes and worked mostly with oxygen. Most of my work was just delivering liquid oxygen or servicing the concentrators we rented out.
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: fee]
#8774999 - 08/14/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
fee said:
Quote:
veda_sticks said:
I seem to remember RR posting that the ideal air for shrooms was sominthing like
89% nitrogen 21% O2
ya I would have to agree that 110 % of anything is better than the normal 100% every one is use too
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Eat A Peach]
#8775015 - 08/14/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i have a oxy generator that creates 15 psi at 98% purity. however the electricity it cost to run it out weighs the benefits of production.
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smily
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just do it once cost that much just to see what happens.
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Cornfield
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: smily]
#8775444 - 08/14/08 10:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have definitely thought about the cost of the electricity to run the o2 concentrator. I dont plan on running it 24/7.
The one i have is adjustable and puts out between 2 and 10 liters per minute. I figure to get it to optimum o2 production it would need to run about 5 minutes to get the highest o2 concentration.
Math isnt my strong suit but im sure i can figure out how long to set the timer to run to get the desired effect. The easiest way would probably be to convert gallons to liters. I could fill the chamber with water, measure how many gallons it holds, and then multiply by 3.7854118.
So lets say my fruiting chamber holds 75 gallons of water that would be 283.9 liters which would mean the unit would need to run 28 minutes at a time after initial startup.
I dont know how many watts my concentrator uses exactly but a similar one i found on the net says 585 watts. to figure out how much its gonna cost me i would take 585W and divide by 1000 which = .585 kilowatts.
a kilowatt hour is 1000 watts used for 1 hour. Next i need to figure out how many hours it will run per day. I would guess i would need to fill it with fresh oxygen every 5 hours. So 24 hours in a day times 30 days would be 720 hours. 720 hours is 43,200 minutes. 43,200 minutes divided by 28 minutes each run is 1542.8 minutes divided by 60 to get hours is 25.71 hours.
now i need to take 25.71 hours and times it by my electric rate per kilowatt which varies during summer and winter months (goes way up in summer, plan on growing in winter though and dont know actual rate) so lets just go with my summer rate which is $.098 per kilowatt.
So i take 25.71 hours times .098 and get 2.51 at the summer rate.
SOOOOO is $2.51 in electricity consumption worth a better harvest? HELL YEAH? that is if it works LOL!
This is all up in the air right now as i dont know exactly how big the fruting chamber would need to be yet and dont know the all the parameters of what my machine uses etc etc etc. Another thing is that when an appliance initially turns on it sucks a lot of amps to get started. Initial startup of the machine that many times per month would definitely make cost go up but what im getting at is i dont really think what i use in electricity is going to be a big deal whatsoever.
Anyone reading this! if you know anything please reply, if you know someone who would know would u direct them this way? im going to have all fall and winter off of work to experiment and i really want to log everything and put it on this site!
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Edited by Cornfield (08/14/08 10:56 PM)
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Cornfield]
#8775598 - 08/14/08 11:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck all that go small do a PF tek in a plastic shoe box or the like dont go big just go normal to small to see if you get a BIG PUNCH !!!!! adding CO2 to cannabis gives a marked bigger harvest
DO IT
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: smily]
#8775599 - 08/14/08 11:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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and ya got all the stuff allready or at least the spendy stuff
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: smily]
#8775605 - 08/14/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I saw a grow setup in the Advanced Mycology section a while back, that had that exact same idea. The guy tried it and said it didn't make any difference, but was extremely dangerous to try. I'm too lazy to search for a link, but if someone else wants to...
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Ima Trooper]
#8776102 - 08/15/08 02:05 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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21% O2, with 79% N would be close to ideal. RR
-know beacuse I just had a post called " Elements of a fruiting mushrrom? " An RR repliewd my thread with that.
-I will be trying the same thing.
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: HazeyRoms]
#8776270 - 08/15/08 03:16 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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CO2 is needed! Mycelium doesnt grow above ground. It grows in the ground where theres very little oxygen. In nature when mycelium reaches the surface where there is less CO2 it initiates pinning triggers.Having CO2 during colonization keeps competitor fungi out also. Too much CO2 will slow growth but some CO2 is good during the vegative or growth stage. Using pure or almost pure oxygen may initiate pinning before the substrate is fully colonized.
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Cloneufc]
#8787092 - 08/17/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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then have a C02 line run through the casing...
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: Cornfield]
#8787525 - 08/17/08 04:59 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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theres a reason mushrooms thrive in earth's current atmospheric makeup... i think evolution has something to do with it. you're not gonna outdo nature.
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Re: pure o2 fruiting chamber [Re: veda_sticks]
#8787638 - 08/17/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: Interesting.
I'd imagine that any benifit would be so little that going to that effort would be just too much work.
I seem to remember RR posting that the ideal air for shrooms was sominthing like
89% nitrogen 21% O2
Interesting usually O2 is 20% of the atmosphere this means that the 02 concentration in your home is probibly below optimal by 1% unless you live near a lot of trees and circulate fresh air in often. Still I doubt it's worth doing anything about. Though you could move your marijuana plant closer to your fruiting chamber.
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