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zSDMF
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: satyr]
#8752583 - 08/10/08 11:32 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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satyr said: Actually, you do NOT have to play the game. I do because it is convenient at the moment. Family, career, social status; that is NOT life. These are merely aspects of the illusion we call reality. All bullshit that is completely trivial and disposable. Consciousness and awareness is the only unchanging reality. I could quit my job, sell my home, and travel the world as a vagabond and be completely happy.
Psychedelics do hold the key for major transformation, but it is up to the user to decide what to do with the information obtained, and how to integrate this knowledge with their reality.
to the guy that asked for my humor, this man is far better with words than I. the "game," is a crock of shit. we're alive on earth, we can make whatever we want out of it
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: zSDMF]
#8752629 - 08/10/08 11:46 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the game is totally real, man. Totally a part of the human condition, ignore it or not.
Why else do societies exist? We have a primal need to play this game, it's coded in us to be social creatures.
You can't ignore it. Maybe YOU can, but you have to acknowledge the fact that YOU are an exception to the RULE.
Even so, in the end of your vagabond, drug-fueled travels. Will you be happy? Or will you die alone in a cloudy stupor? That's not happiness or fulfillment. That's living a selfish existence, imo.
Let us know when you decide to forego society. Wait, you can't. Simply participating on this forum means that you're playing the game.
EDIT: I mean yeah we're alive on earth. But Earth (or whatever) also deemed it necessary to make us social beings.
The statement of "being alive on earth" is just as important as acknowledging our social tendencies...because the two go hand in hand.
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Edited by DafonDantes (08/10/08 11:58 AM)
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zSDMF
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: DafonDantes]
#8752698 - 08/10/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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your life is as simple as you make it man, that's all i'm saying. i'm a really simple guy, i'm totally contempt being alive. i'm not trying to say certain drugs have the keys to happiness or any of that, but certain drugs damn sure put your priorities into perspective really quick, and don't give you a choice in the matter either.
it's like, yeah, we have society. i can't ignore it; it's everywhere. but i can simplify it as much as i need too.
personally, if i died after working the same job for 40 years and retired in the same town, knowing pretty much the same people my whole life i would not die happy. i think really what i'm trying to say is that
your "game" is not my "game" or really anyone elses "game"
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8752725 - 08/10/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I completely agree with that ^. I would be unhappy if I worked the same job for 40 years and knew the same people, who the fuck wouldn't?
I think that's being a bit extreme, though. Who actually does that? According to the U.S department of Labor Source , the average American changes CAREERS 10 times throughout the ages of 18-36. That's a WHOLE different career, not just a different job. It also doesn't include what happens after one is 36...but you can draw your own conclusions.
So judging from that simple fact, I don't think that many people live such miserable existences, mentioned above, through playing the game.
What's more likely is that (like I hope my future life will be) most people lead successful lives in the eyes of society. They have kids, contribute to organizations, have things that make them proud of their accomplishments. And aside from all this, they can still find time to enjoy what they like, what separates them from the ever-grinding machinery of society.
For me it's moderate drug use.
 
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Edited by DafonDantes (08/10/08 12:07 PM)
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: DafonDantes]
#8752734 - 08/10/08 12:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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for me its psychedelic use... not a huge fan of other drugs really. they ar enice sometimes, but i would trip once a week if i could. (in fact... i have been lol)
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: DafonDantes]
#8752750 - 08/10/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah that example is a little exaggerated, but i'm not a 35 year old man yet. i'm barely able to buy alcohol. i know i'll live the dream for a while, who knows what life will bring.
but i don't have a "game," plan so to speak lol.
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: zSDMF]
#8752839 - 08/10/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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heres the way i look at it, after many trips on many substances:
while tripping, sometimes i think things like, "why do i always go to that job i hate? nobody makes me go, i am a slave to it, and will not return." and i look at my fancy TV setup like, "why do i work to own such things, they don't matter."
at first i thought that the mind expansion of mushrooms was fake, b/c when i came down i realized i still needed to play the game, for obvious reasons like rent, school and social activities.
then, after a genuine ego-death (they're real), i realized that those revelations are real. yes, i have to work, but the mushrooms remind me that work is not life, it is just a way to buy TV's and pay rent. and the TV doesn't matter, i dont need it, but i like it. the mushrooms just remind me not to be a couch potato moron. the TV and the Job are parts of the illusion, but they're parts that allow the enrichment of my ultimate experience. so, its a way to view myself through different eyes, not through the desensitized sarcastic eyes that look in the mirror.
the real expansion takes place when the ego-death is over, and I realize how much I love my friends and family. this has never gone away for me. the real expansion has taught me not to be as judgmental, and to face my fears as often as i am able. this has also not gone away.
So, if the best thing i can say for all my psychedelic experiences is that it has made me value people more than money, shown me how to be fearless, strengthened my friendships, and helped me not be as much off an asshole to my fellow man, than i can say that the experiences are as real as you let them be, and that psychedelics have had an overwhelmingly positive impact in my life. no single other practice has ever been as beneficial during my relatively short existence. do i really figure out the universe? maybe, maybe not. but i certainly appreciate it a lot more
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: uber_aj]
#8755426 - 08/10/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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uber_aj said: heres the way i look at it, after many trips on many substances:
while tripping, sometimes i think things like, "why do i always go to that job i hate? nobody makes me go, i am a slave to it, and will not return." and i look at my fancy TV setup like, "why do i work to own such things, they don't matter."
at first i thought that the mind expansion of mushrooms was fake, b/c when i came down i realized i still needed to play the game, for obvious reasons like rent, school and social activities.
then, after a genuine ego-death (they're real), i realized that those revelations are real. yes, i have to work, but the mushrooms remind me that work is not life, it is just a way to buy TV's and pay rent. and the TV doesn't matter, i dont need it, but i like it. the mushrooms just remind me not to be a couch potato moron. the TV and the Job are parts of the illusion, but they're parts that allow the enrichment of my ultimate experience. so, its a way to view myself through different eyes, not through the desensitized sarcastic eyes that look in the mirror.
the real expansion takes place when the ego-death is over, and I realize how much I love my friends and family. this has never gone away for me. the real expansion has taught me not to be as judgmental, and to face my fears as often as i am able. this has also not gone away.
So, if the best thing i can say for all my psychedelic experiences is that it has made me value people more than money, shown me how to be fearless, strengthened my friendships, and helped me not be as much off an asshole to my fellow man, than i can say that the experiences are as real as you let them be, and that psychedelics have had an overwhelmingly positive impact in my life. no single other practice has ever been as beneficial during my relatively short existence. do i really figure out the universe? maybe, maybe not. but i certainly appreciate it a lot more
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: Shad0w]
#8784875 - 08/17/08 12:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8785038 - 08/17/08 01:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont like the word meaningless, its a word for crying out load
thats what tweats me out right there, the feeling yea but the fact that i can articulate that into a sentence is just fucking weird
whether your convinced your on your way to death or finally realized you might be a wee bit crazy/honest pyches to me prove that i take shit for granted
and that to me is that whole religion bit
if i didnt have what one would call faith/fuck it well then id be somewhere else right now, shit if anything it without a doubt teaches me respect but at the same time im afraid that messin with my perspective on a chemical level is jus off, it actually goes against all of my lil epiphany/im still alive moments so i mainly jus try to smoke teh weeds
if i get back to the other stuff tho i really dont think itd help me at all itd prolly jus be some large expanse of space that i could acknowledge before i got in that IN mode
the shits cool but i wouldnt turn around and flip it on anyone else i think that if you truly live with regrets you should at least act like it, but then again apart of me would love to fall into the unknown i jus think id be kickin everyone else in the balls who are still doin their daily routines
setting for the win even if it is warping, veiled, closing in or jus plain boxed out shits intense, after pyches i feel i litterally have alotta buttons to push, but am still confused as to which ones would do something rather then jus play out
im the same as ive ever been is what im tryiing to point out
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8785126 - 08/17/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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oxalic32 said: Also how many of you feel like psychedelics make you value life less? Salvia made me look at life as a whole and laugh. Laugh about how we all live, about how stupid things we do are. It made me think about how useless somethings people do are. We're just complicated ants with all of our little individualized tasks.
In the end we live on a spinning rock. A spinning rock that will probably be vaporized by the expanding sun or sucked into a black hole. So even if this is the reality most valued it too can end and can be viewed as entirely worthless. Most lives will be entirely forgotten and buried in the sands of times. Even those who were famous and made ground breaking findings will too be forgotten.
Psychedelics transformed my intellectual nihilism into a full-on personal belief--but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Life truly is meaningless, but it's this fact that simultaneously grants you unlimited freedom.
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: deCypher]
#8786596 - 08/17/08 12:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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uber_aj
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8786713 - 08/17/08 12:59 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i agree with your second post much more than the first. Meaningless? sure, unless we actually did choose to be born into this reality as a way to test our psyche/soul. there isn't much (if any) empirical evidence to support that idea, but its something i've thought about.
Worthless, absolutely not. unless you have the nihilistic belief that we lack a soul or you believe there is no after-life. and even then, the good times you have in life are worth the bullshit. i myself feel that the trials my being goes through on this trip we call life strengthen and reinforce my soul. whatever happens after i physically die is of little consequence to me, b/c i believe that the shit i've gone through in this world has prepared me for whatever else there is.
now, i happen to be that guy who graduated high school and was 18 before i ever tried psychedelics (excluding pot). i researched shrooms for a year and a half before partaking in them, and made an informed decision. so, i don't really know exactly where you are coming from, and won't pretend to. however, like anything in life, psychedelics have their ups and downs, and its important to be able to see the good in the bad. i have never regretted taking a psychedelic, and even in a bad trip i can find the positives and enjoy the things i learn about the nature of my subconscious, even the darker parts.
repeated use of heavy psychedelics did kind of throw me into a loop of resenting the sober life experience, but i quit eating 4+ grams every weekend and much of the resentment went away. everything in moderation, and find the positives in the dark, it'll all be gravy
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: uber_aj]
#8787456 - 08/17/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8787744 - 08/17/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psychedelic experiences are real, and not hallucinatory. The brain's response to sensory stimuli is either slightly or profoundly altered, but the stimuli are there and the same as always - we just see them from a different angle under the influence of mind-bending drugs.
As for the raging debate over whether you -really- talked to angels or got abducted by aliens on that really crazy trip you had, this seems to be missing the forest for the trees to me. Consensus/material reality is overwhelmed and drowned-out during a full-blown psychedelic experience, and what ensues exists outside the frame of reference of universal consensus and fact-based survivalistic consciousness. It's as valid as the individual makes it.
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im sure someone has already pointed it out, but by ridding a person of their ego (including the inhibition of mental blocks) that person can see the world more objectively. Or maybe it's just me.
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8787767 - 08/17/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psychedelics made me realize that I want to play the game, and I want to play it well. Before I tripped, I had some foggy notion that my life was going to be different from everybody else's, and that one day I'd probably just end up destroying the ring in Mordor or something. Psychedelics made me realize that I was running from reality. My true journey is to go into the belly of the beast (capitalism, society, wal-mart) and try and change it for the better.
I think the problem with any psychedelic revolution is that it implies that we should abandon this society, reject it entirely, and return to our primal nature. Unfortunately, once you do that you kind of run into the same problems as the rest of the animals on the planet: those fucking humans are ruining everything! If we are actually going to change this thing, it's either going to be through a rapid global catastrophe that shakes our civilization to its foundations, or slow fluid change through education and enlightenment, and a reentry of naturalistic paradigms into the cultural zeitgeist.
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Re: Are your experiences valid? [Re: oxalic32]
#8787977 - 08/17/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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oxalic32 said: Lately i've been using psychedelics and having true experiences. They've shown me thinks normal society could never understand. They made me examine how we live and laugh at it all. I literally laughed at how ridiculous life is.
My question for those who choose to open the doors is are you really learning anything? Or are you just becoming intoxicated or even poisoned fumbling in a confused state trying to make sense.
I'm just looking for an open discussion. Why do you trip? What have you learned? Has it helped you? Has it made "normal life" less or more appealing?
I'm not trying to discredit psychedelics i just sometimes wonder if anything is truly "mind expanding".
I trip to have a good time and to interpret reality through a filter (or without one, as the case may be). I've learned that psychedelics are nothing to take lightly. It has helped me to realize how truly incredible 'normal' life is.
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