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    #8706572 - 07/31/08 09:37 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

hey guys, I've been having a bit of trouble getting thick pins.  My casing is covered with small little guys (i'll post a pic in a little bit) but I'm looking for those big ones.  I know FAE can determine pin size as well as humidity but I've done my best to keep those optimal.  Temp in the FC is around 75-77 and RH is right about 98%.  I fan about 5 times a day, 0 times during the night while I sleep of course.  Could my casing I'm using cause the pins to be many but small?  My casing is a pH balanced jungle potting mix with peat moss, sphagnum, lyme, perlite, pine bark compost, and some other stuff i dont really remember.  This dude at the gardening store told me its the best stuff for growing mushrooms but idk.  Strain is B+.  Any advice would be appreciated


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Re: thin pins [Re: peterr1211]
    #8709093 - 07/31/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: thin pins [Re: peterr1211]
    #8709129 - 07/31/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for posting this question.

I have been searching the answer to this for an hour now.

My first casing is doing the same thing.

I only have 2 thin pins.

I checked the trays today after casing them 3 days ago and there they were, along with myc poking through.

I figured it was time to fruit.

Now I just need to figure out why the thin guys.

Hope this gets some replies.


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Re: thin pins [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8709385 - 07/31/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

dunk casing for 24 hours....simple , and correct way to do it:tongue::thumbup: its dry..... and will not produce well until it is dunked

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Re: thin pins [Re: Hauptperson69]
    #8709604 - 07/31/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Dunk prior to first flush?

hmmmmmm


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Re: thin pins [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8709908 - 07/31/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

i wouldnt dunk i would mabey mist if scared of misting get a syringe and push water into it, Thats if its dry? to be safe


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Re: thin pins [Re: gethyn]
    #8709918 - 07/31/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

but that casing dosent look dry?


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Re: thin pins [Re: gethyn]
    #8710395 - 08/01/08 12:57 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Your fruiting chamber is a glass aquarium, right?
So even with 5 times fanning you have a high co2 level and not enough FAE.  Try to keep the lid ajar.


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Re: thin pins [Re: pontus]
    #8710919 - 08/01/08 06:38 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

ok so i'll def dunk the casing on the second flush

I really don't think my casing is too dry tho

What does the glass aquarium mean pontus?  Should I switch to a plastic container in order to drill holes for FAE?  As soon as I keep my lid ajar, my RH drops under what I would like it to be.  Here is an update pic:

And here is the glass aquarium FC:


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Re: thin pins [Re: peterr1211]
    #8710951 - 08/01/08 07:04 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I would say switch to shotgun fc if you can. I had a glass aquarium and nothing but trouble. My main chamber is now a shotgun fc and  it works perfect for me.

I still use the glass aquarium for experiments. If you want to use it fill in 6 inch of drained perlite. Drill holes in your lid if possible. Now you can leave the lid ajar, without rh dropping to much. RR recommends using it "sideways", but I really can not picture that, maybe i got that wrong.

But if you can afford it switch to Roger Rabbit shotgun fc, look for his website, it is all explained their. It works, is cheap and you can leave your place up to 4 days without worrying to much. Its great.


Important: elevate your tray off the perlite. It should not cover your perlite. I use two  strong wires to "hang" the tray in the aquarium.


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Re: thin pins [Re: peterr1211]
    #8711159 - 08/01/08 08:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

This usually happens due to lack of FAE, improper humidity and moisture in casing/substrate. If that's not the problem then you should probably put up more information on how you got to the stage where you are, and the steps so that people can judge better.

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Re: thin pins [Re: skaterickets]
    #8712028 - 08/01/08 12:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think its mainly my FAE defficiency then.  I've been saturating the casing tray with H2O2 daily up until I began seeing the pins.  I then switched to misting the sides of the glass and perlite thereafter. 

What do you think about mixing some vermiculite in with the casing on the next try?  Would that solidify a more moist casing?

I like the shotgun FC but after perusing through the forumn further, I'm really tempted to go straight to a monotub.

BTW: Thanks for the elevating tip.  My guess is that is keeps the mushrooms somewhat out of the heavy CO2 that resides primarily at the bottom of the tank.  No?


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Re: thin pins [Re: peterr1211]
    #8712100 - 08/01/08 01:01 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like a pan cyan to me. Caps look white. Anyone else think so?


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Re: thin pins [Re: moho456]
    #8712178 - 08/01/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

dunking can help mycelium put out more overall yield flush after flush, but that has nothing to do with thin pins.

Hauptperson69 incorrectly put what he said very matter-of-factly. Dunking your myc has nothing to do with thin or thick pins. :crazy2:

In my opinion, your casing doesnt look dry, and id be happy with a pinset like that.

although i can see why you wish they were fatter.

if you didn't clone, and you are using multispore to inoculate, i would guess it could be one of many different environmental factors.

Good Luck!:mushroom2:

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Re: thin pins [Re: moho456]
    #8712182 - 08/01/08 01:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Looks like a pan cyan to me. Caps look white. Anyone else think so?




thats the first thing i thought actually but i dismissed it.

OP?

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Re: thin pins [Re: themange]
    #8712791 - 08/01/08 03:11 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I think you got it themange.

These fruits were from a wild cyan multispore which does assert a plethora of environmental factors. Now that I think about it, I need to stop experimenting with the wild fungus and just order a good known strain.

Thanks for the tips, I'll update with a pic later


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Re: thin pins [Re: peterr1211]
    #8712812 - 08/01/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Aren't pan pins usually thin like this?

They are definitely a thin mushroom even at maturity.


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Re: thin pins [Re: psylopsycho]
    #8713119 - 08/01/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

How would having the casing container laying right on the perilite adversly affect it?

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Re: thin pins [Re: c1dh3d]
    #8713568 - 08/01/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

more ing.

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Re: thin pins [Re: rugergirl79]
    #8713596 - 08/01/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

thats a good pinset for cyan.  you def need to fan more wich was already stated.  you'd have to fan 10 times as much with a fc like that vs. using the shotgun style.

you should be able to tell if your substrate is dry or not by picking it up and felling how heavy it is.  if it feels light.  prior to first flush i woud just pour some water over the casing and let it soak in over night and pour off the excess in the morning

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