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Agarico
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smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds
#8658600 - 07/20/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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can I smoke a couple of my seeds or do I better wait to have flowers and leaves? I'd really like to approach those plants carefully
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Aopocetx
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Agarico]
#8658608 - 07/20/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just keep smoking them until you feel something. The first thing you will feel is dizziness followed by dry mouth, and you should see black squiggles on flat surfaces. It's not that great. I've never had true hallucinations from smoking this stuff and I've smoked a lot.
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cpw1971
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Aopocetx]
#8659546 - 07/20/08 03:51 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I smoked extracts even and felt NOTHING.
smoked= non active
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Agarico]
#8660325 - 07/20/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Flowers are the best. The seeds suck in my experience (different blend of actives versus leaves and flowers). In either case proceed with great caution!! If you want to hallucinate or get fucked up... THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT!!!! There are much better alternatives. If, on the other hand, you just want a gentle body buzz and a good nights sleep, a few hits of flower will do the trick.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Agarico]
#8660857 - 07/20/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Creating an extract and then starting small would be safer than crude plant material. If it is an alcohol tincture then you have to worry about evaporation. Lets say that you have 10mL of extract and you attempted to try 1/2mL. You then let it sit around and it evaporates down to 8.5mL, what do you think is going to happen to the concentration of alkaloids? The potency can fluctuate throughout the day on the same plant. DO NOT REDOSE!!! If nothing happens, better luck next time. A lot of people end up going too far because they didn't think that they took enough. The only thing that I have noticed which marks the onset is a very peculiar tasting dry mouth. Good luck and be fucking careful!
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Agarico]
#8663633 - 07/21/08 03:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've smoked quite a bit of brugmansia suaveolens in my day, just the leaves. First time I took a couple drags, nothin happened. Next time I tried it, couple drags, nothin happened. The third time I tried it, took a couple drags, and something definitely happened. The next 20 or so times I smoked, one or two drags would do the trick. I'm not sure why I felt nothing the first two times, but I'm guessing I was effected, but unable discern the effects at that point.
I would advise against smoking until you feel effects on your first try, you might smoke way too much. Marijuana greatly potentiates tropanes, including the side effects, so avoid. Watch your step.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Neon]
#8663698 - 07/21/08 03:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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id just stay away from atropine (sp?) chemicals all together. they aren't active smoked as many people have proved before. Ive tried it a few times myself, and apparently so has cpw. its not worth accidentally wiping your mouth with some extract or messing with dangerous plant material. idk to each his own but i dont want to mess with it.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Agarico]
#8665026 - 07/21/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I haven't smoked any yet but I found 5-15 peeled and crushed seeds put in 00 caps worked pretty well as a sleeping aid.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Nomis]
#8665530 - 07/21/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nomis said: I haven't smoked any yet but I found 5-15 peeled and crushed seeds put in 00 caps worked pretty well as a sleeping aid.
your lucky you even woke up! your lucky you didnt find yourself naked in confusion rampaging through he highways.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Novothusiast]
#8665555 - 07/21/08 10:43 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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As a kid I smoked brugmansia leaves but I didn´t feel anything. BTW I tried it alone, with no MJ.
FH
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Zinglons Acolyte
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: felixhigh]
#8666251 - 07/22/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i heard brug leaf makes a really good blunt filler and potentiates weed and makes it last longer
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8666421 - 07/22/08 02:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i want more info on this.
there a million brug trees here, and ive got a few metel growing, and just want to know a bit more about them
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Novothusiast]
#8666756 - 07/22/08 07:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Novothusiast said:
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Nomis said: I haven't smoked any yet but I found 5-15 peeled and crushed seeds put in 00 caps worked pretty well as a sleeping aid.
your lucky you even woke up! your lucky you didnt find yourself naked in confusion rampaging through he highways.
From 5-15 seeds? Maybe its possible, it took about 1 1/2-2 seed pods worth of the Datura inoxia that I first worked with just to give you an idea. That was light dosaging to. I didn't want to completely lose it. Keep in mind though that one plant doesn't nessissarily have any bearing on general dosage guidelines. So please do not refrence this as a starting point or anything like that. Plant to plant alkaloid concentrations can vary enough that this might kill you with a plant from the same species even. With that said though, as far as smoked tropanes go, I really enjoy adding henbane seeds to a blunt. They taste like fennel.Most people would just think that they are really stoned it blends in so well, but it definitly brings something to the table. I think Datura metel was smoked in Aryuvedic medicine as a bronchial dialator. So something is going on there. I've tried smoking the flowers of Datura metel with not a lot of results. I have known a person who I respected that got a good deal off of it though. I have smoked probably a 1/4 ounce of leaves and flowers of Datura inoxia with not much effect. The active compounds in Amanita muscaria are antichlorigenic just like tropanes. I've heard good things about roasting the skin from the top of the cap and smoking it. Recently I have been using a Mandrake infused oil as a topical ointment. Makes you sleep a loooooooong time. I was kind of a pussy about it since it was my first time experimenting with this plant. I made the oil so weak (a little over 1-1) that it woun't do anything beyond that though. Maybe if I soaked in hot water first it might. When combined with opium it makes you feel like you are buzzing with electricity and completely fucks your equilibrium. Also it definitly is an aphrodisiac.. I like Mandrake a lot though. I might experiment with purchased materials again, but I'm really waiting on my fresh root. I have Mandragora turcomanica and Mandragora officinalis. I want Mandragora autumnalis also.. The cool thing about this guy is that the fruits (minus the seeds) are actually edible. The Egyptians even made beer with them. Well since the op's post was really about Tree Datura and Belladonna, I'll shut up since I seem to be spiraling off topic.
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Edited by mr_minds_eye (07/22/08 07:49 AM)
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Aopocetx
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Novothusiast]
#8667522 - 07/22/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Novothusiast said:
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Nomis said: I haven't smoked any yet but I found 5-15 peeled and crushed seeds put in 00 caps worked pretty well as a sleeping aid.
your lucky you even woke up! your lucky you didnt find yourself naked in confusion rampaging through he highways.
You're "lucky" if you even trip from 15 seeds which is extremely doubtful. And many people have gotten effects from smoking datura/brugmansia leaves so I don't know what you're talking about - this goes to the dude that said it's been proven that smoking them is inactive.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Aopocetx]
#8667993 - 07/22/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think that brugmansia was a better way to go about tropanes becausetheres less alkaloid variance than datura, please correct me if im wrong
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felixhigh
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
#8668468 - 07/22/08 05:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe both are extrmely dangerous because of the alkaloidal variation...
BTW I remember I once smoked Henbane... Didn´t do much to me but I was drunk and stoned so it´s hard to know. It tasted good.
FH
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: felixhigh]
#8669713 - 07/22/08 10:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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A witches brew? I am about to gather the stuff for the recipe. I am going to freeze most of it. I hope it freezes ok. Anyways, try that next time. You will probably only do it once though. It most likely will scare the living shit out of you.
EG
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: Agarico]
#8670133 - 07/23/08 12:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have just started to smoke brug, its a pretty good stone, pretty much like mj, but doesn't last as long, smoke leaves and flowers chopped together, smoke a bowl, then get up for about 10 mins or so walk around, till you get used to it then smoke another.
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: spudamore]
#8670201 - 07/23/08 01:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so ive got 3 dried d. metel flowers.
how do i go about it?
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Re: smoke brugmansia and atropa belladonna seeds [Re: just me]
#8670374 - 07/23/08 02:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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should mix with some leaf, chop it all up together, smoke a half a cone just to get used to it, get up and walk around the house or do something for about 10 mins, then you could try and up the amount a little, take it slow, know your limit and stick to it
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