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WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?!
    #8538642 - 06/18/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Alright listen guys please help, I just decided to look in on my casing i put together the other day, dudes were suggesting to me to use Miricle Grow Moisure Control as a casing material, so I figured I would give it a shot, I pasturized it methodically VIA RRs instuctions I read in a post using pint or quart jars (I used pint) in a pressure cooker

anyhow right, I took TEN healthy as all get out, fully colonized and consolidated PF jars of Cambodian stain (my first cambodian grow, and all of it too, why this is so sore!) and i crumbled them in ziplock bags and let them sit for a couple days to recover like I have time before, cased them with MGMC that I pasturized, first time using this, and them stuck it in my incubator like I have before...,

So I go to look at it and here is what I see after a couple days!!!!!!






WTF is this? its yellow as HELL, sorry if the pics suck they are the best I could do, I took a chunk of mycelium out to get a pic of as you can see, I have never seen anything like this before

What gets me is that all ten of these PF style jars were completely healthy as hell, seriously not a hint of contamination VIA smell, color, anything!!! And they *all* grew quickly and as would be expected for the most healthy of mycelium to grow...


What am I looking at, and is it possibly from using MGMC, is it contamination, or WTF?!!??!

im assuming its bacteria, but im hoping by some off chance that you guys will tell me its okay, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, yeah right

im really disapointed because this is my very first cambodian grow and I was really looking forward to it, and its all of my cambodians, so shit!!!

Im just wondering if its the MGMC because that is the only changed factor.dsfsfsd

drunk...help?!?!?!


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: WakingUp]
    #8538669 - 06/18/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

sounds like its getting too wet


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: WakingUp]
    #8538678 - 06/18/08 09:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Trich? From the contam faq posted by anno.



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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: deladude]
    #8538692 - 06/18/08 09:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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sounds like its getting too wet


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too wet ? thats all you got? so say it is getting too wet, wtf is going on with it being yellow, also its definatly NOT too wet, im not so new to casings as to not know when its too wet, its not too wet,


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8538697 - 06/18/08 09:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You also shouldn't be incubating anything.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8538725 - 06/18/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow now that i zoom in that shit looks like big bird. im pretty damn curious myself.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8538728 - 06/18/08 09:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

haha hes drunk.......... me too.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8538751 - 06/18/08 09:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

wow now that i zoom in that shit looks like big bird. im pretty damn curious myself.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: deladude]
    #8538792 - 06/18/08 10:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Cinnamon Brown Mold – Chromelosporium fulva (Peziza ostrachoderma)

The color of this mold ranges from yellow gold to golden brown to cinnamon brown. It grows rapidly in circular patches. It is very common in soil, and flourishes on damp wood. Areas in compost overheated during spawn run may be colonized. Improperly conditioned compost will also support growth, but it is most commonly known as a recolonizer of overly pasteurized casing, possibly living on dead microorganisms. It often occurs on sterilized soil. Sexual fruiting bodies may appear several weeks after the first appearance of the mold. Spores are airborne.

MGMC isn't a very good casing material bro.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8539013 - 06/18/08 11:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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endepth said:
Cinnamon Brown Mold – Chromelosporium fulva (Peziza ostrachoderma)

The color of this mold ranges from yellow gold to golden brown to cinnamon brown. It grows rapidly in circular patches. It is very common in soil, and flourishes on damp wood. Areas in compost overheated during spawn run may be colonized. Improperly conditioned compost will also support growth, but it is most commonly known as a recolonizer of overly pasteurized casing, possibly living on dead microorganisms. It often occurs on sterilized soil. Sexual fruiting bodies may appear several weeks after the first appearance of the mold. Spores are airborne.

MGMC isn't a very good casing material bro. 




I hear of people using it all of the time with no contaminates. I use it straight out of the bag with no problems.

You can use it for 3-5 flushes before you get contaminates.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: Meoman]
    #8539027 - 06/18/08 11:17 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Cinnamon Brown Mold – Chromelosporium fulva (Peziza ostrachoderma)

The color of this mold ranges from yellow gold to golden brown to cinnamon brown. It grows rapidly in circular patches. It is very common in soil, and flourishes on damp wood. Areas in compost overheated during spawn run may be colonized. Improperly conditioned compost will also support growth, but it is most commonly known as a recolonizer of overly pasteurized casing, possibly living on dead microorganisms. It often occurs on sterilized soil. Sexual fruiting bodies may appear several weeks after the first appearance of the mold. Spores are airborne.

MGMC isn't a very good casing material bro. 




I hear of people using it all of the time with no contaminates. I use it straight out of the bag with no problems.

You can use it for 3-5 flushes before you get contaminates.




You could use straight verm too! That doesn't make it a good casing material. The stuff I've seen has all kinds of wood chips and perlite in it.

Meh, whatever works for you I suppose.

Edit: I'm not saying I know for sure the MGMC caused the contam, but it definitely could be a factor.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8539032 - 06/18/08 11:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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endepth said: is most commonly known as a recolonizer of overly pasteurized casing




How hot did your MGMC get during the pasteurizing?  I am considering using this for some WBS I have going.
I found tons of folks on here with decent success, it looks really foolproof, and you can get it freakin everywhere.

Maybe ya got unlucky or just got it too hot or cooked too long during pasteurizing?


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8539034 - 06/18/08 11:20 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Cinnamon Brown Mold – Chromelosporium fulva (Peziza ostrachoderma)

The color of this mold ranges from yellow gold to golden brown to cinnamon brown. It grows rapidly in circular patches. It is very common in soil, and flourishes on damp wood. Areas in compost overheated during spawn run may be colonized. Improperly conditioned compost will also support growth, but it is most commonly known as a recolonizer of overly pasteurized casing, possibly living on dead microorganisms. It often occurs on sterilized soil. Sexual fruiting bodies may appear several weeks after the first appearance of the mold. Spores are airborne.

MGMC isn't a very good casing material bro. 




I hear of people using it all of the time with no contaminates. I use it straight out of the bag with no problems.

You can use it for 3-5 flushes before you get contaminates.




You could use straight verm too! That doesn't make it a good casing material. The stuff I've seen has all kinds of wood chips and perlite in it.

Meh, whatever works for you I suppose.




It also has Peat Moss and Coco coir in it. All you have to do us take out the wood chips (which are easy to see and pick out) and you are good to go.


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: Meoman]
    #8539331 - 06/19/08 01:08 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

From your pictures, it looks to be coming from the substrate more than the casing; the MGMC probably had little to do with whatever is going on there. 

What were your procedures for crumbling and casing?  This is a new one to me, hoping an old hand chimes in with some knowledge.

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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: endepth]
    #8539623 - 06/19/08 03:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

calm down and do a little research on google or somthing look for yellow mold or somthing...

it looks like some stuff growing on a log that stays in a damp place in back yard... i also have some mushrooms growing from it too, its the same yellow color but mine is fuzzy....


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: Antii]
    #8539698 - 06/19/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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calm down and do a little research on google or somthing look for yellow mold or somthing...

it looks like some stuff growing on a log that stays in a damp place in back yard... i also have some mushrooms growing from it too, its the same yellow color but mine is fuzzy....



your saying you got this contam but your mushrooms still grew ?


anyhow to the rest: thanks, ill get a chance to respond and read all your posts later, this sucks ass, MGMC TO HELL!!! ive had much better results, in fact no contams, with verm only...

so the verdict is i overpasturized it ?

really really sad loss man, also im going out of town for 2 days, i guess ill just let it sit and wait and hope when i get back its okay, i doubt it tho


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: AbaZabba]
    #8539706 - 06/19/08 05:08 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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From your pictures, it looks to be coming from the substrate more than the casing; the MGMC probably had little to do with whatever is going on there. 

What were your procedures for crumbling and casing?  This is a new one to me, hoping an old hand chimes in with some knowledge.




well to crumble i put the fully colonized cakes in a large ziplock after removing the verm seal with a sterilized fork, 4 to a bag, I broke the cakes up by pinching them with my fingers, worked before, and before again

true it looks more like the substrate than the casing, but where did it come from, the cakes were healthy as hell right before i put the casing on


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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: WakingUp]
    #8539879 - 06/19/08 07:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Like Meoman said you should take out any visible wood. That could have been your problem.  In the future remove wood chips and you could also add a small amount of hydrated lime which is optional

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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: medicine man]
    #8539953 - 06/19/08 07:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It's apparent that the cakes were not actually healthy when crumbled.  When contaminants show up that soon, it's definitely the spawn/cakes that were the problem.  I'm no fan of casing cakes, and also not too crazy about MGMC, but that's not the problem.  They would have been green in the same time if you'd tried to fruit them as cakes.

Smell each cake at birthing.  I usually wash them under the faucet right after they come out of the jar, and that's a good time to take a whiff.  Those cakes would have had a 'dirt' smell rather than a fresh mushroom smell.  Even if 9 of the 10 smelled like fresh mushrooms, it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch.

Don't incubate.  Allow to colonize at normal room temperature.  If it's cold in your house, put them on an upper shelf since it's usually warmer higher up in a room.  That isn't what caused the mold, but the heat helps the molds more than it helps the mushroom mycelium.  Molds are caused by mold spores getting on your substrate.
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Re: WTF is this?!?! Seriously HELP!!! Yellow substrate, casing, MGMC CASING?!?! [Re: Meoman]
    #8540246 - 06/19/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Meoman said:
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Cinnamon Brown Mold – Chromelosporium fulva (Peziza ostrachoderma)

The color of this mold ranges from yellow gold to golden brown to cinnamon brown. It grows rapidly in circular patches. It is very common in soil, and flourishes on damp wood. Areas in compost overheated during spawn run may be colonized. Improperly conditioned compost will also support growth, but it is most commonly known as a recolonizer of overly pasteurized casing, possibly living on dead microorganisms. It often occurs on sterilized soil. Sexual fruiting bodies may appear several weeks after the first appearance of the mold. Spores are airborne.

MGMC isn't a very good casing material bro. 




I hear of people using it all of the time with no contaminates. I use it straight out of the bag with no problems.

You can use it for 3-5 flushes before you get contaminates.




You could use straight verm too! That doesn't make it a good casing material. The stuff I've seen has all kinds of wood chips and perlite in it.

Meh, whatever works for you I suppose.




It also has Peat Moss and Coco coir in it. All you have to do us take out the wood chips (which are easy to see and pick out) and you are good to go.




Coir is a shitty casing material too. Too many nutes.


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