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BlimeyGrimey
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Seattle Lawn Pans (Identified as P. castaneifolius)
#8486343 - 06/05/08 12:53 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I took a bike ride with a roommate today to go pickup a new pressure cooker and found these mushrooms growing in the lawn of an apartment complex. No in-situ photos but I'll snap some in the next few days when I go by there again.
These had brown gills:
These had greyish gills:
This was found growing near the grey gilled mushrooms (Panaeolopsis?):
This was an odd one:
Any help with IDs is much appreciated.
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Edited by BlimeyGrimey (07/21/08 02:50 AM)
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Subbedhunter420
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Ah yes, you found something close, if not panaeolopsis. It would be the first panaeolopsis find in Washington to my knowledge. Might wanna send it to someone for microscopy.
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Workman
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Yes, send to "someone" for microscopy.
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BlimeyGrimey
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Who would possibly have the know-how and tools to do the microscopy though? Hmmmmmmm..... Can't think of anyone.
I'll be checking the spore prints of some of the caps in a bit to see if the grey gilled ones are subbs or not. Once I dry out the Panaeolopsis and pull a gill or two loose for my own use I'll send the sample to Workman for microscopy.
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: Workman]
#8494818 - 06/07/08 12:08 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's the pics of the dried sample which shows the dark black/slightly purple gill color.
Does this better its chances of being a Panaeolopsis?
Streaked some gills on 2% MEA plate and considering how fresh it was I'm hoping for some germination in the next few days.
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GGreatOne234
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I'm thinking of a number...
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BlimeyGrimey
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4?
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Workman
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Not Panaeolopsis. The spores are very rough like Panaeolus foenisecii but the gills appear to be black with spores and not dark brown as expected. Panaeolus castaneifolius spores are also rough but not to this extreme degree. My best guess is that it is a malformed Panaeolus foenisecii but without a sporeprint it is difficult to be sure. Interesting.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: Workman]
#8631945 - 07/13/08 11:53 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice job.
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fliped
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Nice Blimey. My patch only produced a few then the heat got to high and it got way too dry.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: Workman]
#8632213 - 07/14/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I found a whole bunch of these 2 weeks ago. The patch had 2 or 3 regular foes and about 30 ones that had folded in caps. The gills were black on the ones with folded in caps, I expected them to be brown but they were definitely black. Spores were roughened just like the ones pictured above so I concluded that they were mutant foes.
I ate 30, no effect.
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: Workman]
#8632435 - 07/14/08 05:08 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks Workman!
I'm hoping the other samples I sent aren't the same thing. The other samples (Pan subbs) had the exact same gill color as the suspected Panaeolopsis. The Pan subbs dropped black prints while the Pan foes that were on the same lawn dropped brown prints.
Pan subbs:
Pic of suspected Pan subbs prints:
Pic of Pan subb prints (top row) next to Pan foe prints.
Let's hope the Pan subbs samples atleast turn out to be an active Panaeolus species.
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Subbedhunter420
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Hmm... Interesting. I was certain that was a panaeolopsis originally.
Did you finally get that print blimey? And I'd bet my last dollar that those black spored subbish shrooms are active..
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BlimeyGrimey
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Yup, I got the print. Thanks.
I personally wouldn't bet on the "Pan subbs". I was 99% sure that the malformed cap was atleast a mutanted Pan subb but according to the microscopy its a Pan foe..... with black gills/spores.
I have the feeling that the microscopy of the Pan subbs might help clear things up or even make it more confusing.
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Workman
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They are not Panaeolus subbalteatus. The spores are finely roughened. It appears to be Panaeolus olivaceus aka P. castaneifolius. I've included an image that shows the cheilocystidia which is longer and thinner than is typical for P. subbalteatus.
Spore length 12.2-15 microns.
Similar to the Georgia collection by weiliiiiiii but with somewhat smaller spores.
Comparison of collections:
Seattle spore 12.2-15.0 microns Georgia spore 14.5-16.5(18.0) microns. P. olivaceus spore 11.0-16.0(18.0) microns.
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Edited by Workman (07/21/08 01:17 AM)
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: Workman]
#8661738 - 07/21/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks again!
I actually just checked the lawn they were found in today. Not a single mushroom to be found. Its too dry:(
I'll be damn sure to check again once we get a few days of rain in a row. All the mushrooms in the picture of the pile of shrooms only dried out to about 2 grams.
I'll bioassay once I get atleast another 2-3 grams.
Those cheilocystidia look pretty similar to the "panaeolopsis/mutant foe"'s cheilocystidia. Then again its hard to tell without an in photo measurement. I'll wait for the final composite.
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BlimeyGrimey
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: Workman]
#8715047 - 08/02/08 04:49 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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The caster mycelium like coffee-soaked barley
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BlimeyGrimey
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Found a few more tonight. These look like textbook Panaeolus olivaceus. Nice bronze color on some of the more mature caps.
Here's some of the Panaeolina foenisecii that grow along with the olivaceus.
Didn't find anymore of the Panaeolopsis looking mushrooms but it was dark when I found these. I'll be going back tomorrow during the day to check for more.
Hope these olivaceus leave some good prints.
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wisp
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Nice, you find some really interesting mushrooms, you must have good eyes. Have you ever found Panaeolina foenisecii which have showed any bluing? For that matter, do any of the P. olivaceus show any bluing?
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psilophile82
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Re: Seattle Lawn Pans [Re: wisp]
#8724094 - 08/04/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great job guys!!
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