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Offlineabitub
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no pressure cooker?
    #8424060 - 05/20/08 12:42 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

ive heard of people not using a pressure cooker with their jars...i bought a $7 pressure cooker only to find its missing the top piece to hold all the pressure inside and it is a discontinued item..my friend is a chemist and i asked him about it. he suggested that there are no germs or bacteria that i would have to worry about that could survive steam sterilizing....anyone have advice?

were looking at $100 for a new PC, i only make $50 a week after all my bills and food...is the PC entirely nessecary?


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OfflineBubba McMushies
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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: abitub]
    #8424067 - 05/20/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

If you are using the PF tek steaming is sufficient, although PC'ing is better.

If you want to try grains dont even think of steaming them...


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Offlineabitub
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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: Bubba McMushies]
    #8424077 - 05/20/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

ive found a tek i think im gonna try...

http://www.thenook.org/archives/9er.htm

...i like the idea of cooking rice ahead of time THEN sterilizing it...also the lack of a mini casing in each jar, it leaves little to no room for contamination if the sterilization goes well....i dunno, its my first attempt lol, seems easy.:mushroom2:

also. i guess all my PC is missing is the weight that tells you psi! i found a place that stocks them but im still unsure what year this thing was made or if its safe..it has a little thing with metal alloy in it so i guess thats somewhat safe.


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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: abitub]
    #8424102 - 05/20/08 01:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Youtube RogerRabbit's video:

Search for 'Let's Grow Mushrooms Part 1'

video step by step instructions of steam sterilization.

works like a charm.


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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: fubuvsfitch]
    #8424119 - 05/20/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

What you should do is to just try it!

The PF-Tek provides little room for bigger mistakes and the contam rate is very low, so this what you might to do first to gather some more spores, or whatnot.

Spawning crumbled BRF cakes to coir, isn't too risky as well, and is able to increase your yield dramatically.

You don't need a pressure cooker for any of these methods, since you're not supposed to sterilize the substrate but just to pasteurize it.

But seriously: Go for simply, normal cakes first.

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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: Fahkface]
    #8424134 - 05/20/08 01:13 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fahkface said:
Spawning crumbled BRF cakes to coir, isn't too risky as well, and is able to increase your yield dramatically.




i was gettin yelled at big time in the cultivation chat room for asking if spawning in layers to coco coir would increase my yield.
they said hell no.
whats your opinion on this?

EDIT: Ill start a new thread on this, i dont wanna high-jack someone elses.


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[quote]RogerRabbit said:
Ah, that explains it.  Typical know-it-all noob.  We get a few thousand just like you register here every year.  They try a few grows, fail miserably and then after a few months or one bad trip, go back to sniffing glue, never to be seen again.

We have a basic pf tek that's idiot proof enough for noobs to get fucked up with their friends. 

Mycologists on the other hand grow for the love of growing.  They want to experiment with various species, substrates, and fruiting environments. They'll move on to isolate strains, attempt hybridization, and in general treat cultivation as an artform, rather than a chore that must be performed as a means to an end.  They'll work twice as hard for a ten percent gain, just for the love of perfection.  These are the ones who will isolate strains, not the dumb fucks who treat mushrooms as a drug, or even worse, a pathogen, as if mushrooms cause disease.
RR [/quote]

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Invisibleshroober
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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: TheBandit]
    #8424149 - 05/20/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

steam sterilization is OK for PF tek

steam sterilization is NOT OK for grains

if you want to enjoy this hobby to the full extent you must invest in a PC, it will save you a lot of time and money in the long term

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Re: no pressure cooker? [Re: TheBandit]
    #8424168 - 05/20/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Putting one layer of coir on the crumbled cake doesn't increase the yield dramatically, for you don't add to much "substrate" as a layer (which is actually just use to add a little more water to it. At least a real layer).
Coir provides some more nutrients, but this isn't too important, since the cake itself contains enough.

Using multiple layers of coir (which wouldn't make any sense, for you simply could spawn it directly) would, theoretically increase the yield, but also the potential for contamination.
So spawning directly to coir+verm would make more sense since the whole substrate would actually be mixed with spawn, which could colonize from every little piece of mycelium, in there, while a "casing layer" is colonized only from the downside.

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