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Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? * 1
    #8420145 - 05/19/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

So as of late I've been reading up on chaos magick and more specifically the use of sigils. Very intriguing stuff... and although I'm not a literal believer that looking at a piece of paper with a bunch of symbols scrawled on it will somehow change the universe, it seems likely that if the sigil magick practitioners' claims are true that what this method does is somehow metaprogram one's subconscious into making you more likely to carry out the actions necessary to realize the intention of the sigil.

The method involves symbolizing some intention of yours (through an appropriately magical looking doodle or some such), then blazing this symbol into your subconscious while undergoing gnosis (through point of orgasm, meditation, trance-like state, etc...), and finally forgetting about the symbol. The key part of the method, to the best of my knowledge, is in the gnosis--one has to deactivate the left hemisphere (logical, rational, etc...) by inducing an almost trance state, and this allows direct communication with the nonverbal right hemisphere.

Now, it seems to me that one of the best ways of inducing gnosis would be through use of a psychedelic ego death experience. I've searched a bit online but haven't found any prior research into the effectiveness of doing this... has anyone attempted this before, and what was your success? I'm probably going for a substantial LSA trip this Friday and am half-seriously contemplating trying to charge a sigil at the peak. Any advice?


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #8420461 - 05/19/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Think of the universe as a giant computer.  Sigils are hacks.  :smile:

Many of the chaos magick books don't look down upon the use of drugs...

It also seems to me to be a lot of work to experience an complete ego death whilst tripping, just to get a sigil in my subconscious, when all I really have to do is jackoff to some porn and then burn the piece of paper containing the sigil.  I'm going to assume you're thinking of using an important sigil with some major intentions behind it rather than "it's my will to see a woman wearing a large yellow hat".  :smile:

The more I think of using psychedelics to charge sigils make sense, seeing as I could think of the image, project it out to the universe and forget about it, because the frequency of thoughts constantly changing while I'm tripping is an almost every time occurrence.

Try it. :grin:


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin] * 1
    #8421226 - 05/19/08 06:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I think alcohol works really well for sigils, ketamine too. Also I think an ego death experience could put you in the right sort of gnosis to "charge" the sigil, it would be hard to understand any symbol in that state of mind (as with alcohol and ketamine in larger amounts).

I've had this thought before about being on acid and being able to hyper sigilize. You can access so much information at once, and therefore conciously create a bunch of sigils and charge them quickly, one after another. Of course I don't know if this will work yet, but I have thought of it.

The Cypher: There's only one way to find out man, experiment. Lots of different substances have been used for magick purposes. If you have some cool results, you should make a post on here!


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: KetamineKatalyst] * 1
    #8421283 - 05/19/08 06:51 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, I'll have to give it a try then. Out of curiosity, what has your experience with sigils been in terms of success?


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #8422278 - 05/19/08 10:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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I prefer to make and charge the sigil before using a psychedelic in order for the intent to manifest(or lay the seeds to manifest over time) during the experience.

Storytime. A few years ago I was meditating under a 2.xG dose of cubensis. I eventually found myself in a void in the astral. Shortly thereafter, the god Tahuti appeared before me in full ibis form floating upon a nest of eyes and began to communicate with me in ways I could'nt understand atm. In essense, this was a spontaneous transvocation. I had no intention of this happening and Tahuti was'nt a deity that I had a special regard for at that time.

Fastforward to my next trip. In this trip I had the intention of communicating with Tahuti again through invocation. I wrote my own invocation and had it memorized to a tee. I go into the forest, eat the shrooms, and begin to meditate before going to the circle I had made earlier. I banish and just when I think I'm ready to start the invocation, it begins to rain. Fuck it, I say, and on with it. Thus I begin to call....line1.....line 2.... Ummmmm. The invocation that I had wrote myself and had memorized was completely alien to me. I could'nt remember a lick of it and left the forest in a mental haze, drenched and muddy.

So what was the point of that transgression you ask? Well, at that point I had learned something valuable about psychedelics and life in general. That it is best to not go in with any expectation or to feel the urge that something has to be done. One must be reminded of Al 1,44: "For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect"(the meaning of "from" is most important in this context). The psychedelic experience in itself loosens the chains which bind kia.

Though I'll perform magick during a journey, it shall always come on a whim when it feels right. In other words, I'm not going to trip in order to perform magick, magick will be employed THROUGH the trip. Now then, I strongly encourage one to experiment and experience things for oneself. If you want to charge the sigil during the trip, by all means go for it! After all, a sigil is'nt as cantankerous as a big ritual or anything. I was just relaying my experience with the use of magick and psychedelics to take to heart.
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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: lavod] * 1
    #8458952 - 05/29/08 09:14 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: Middleman] * 1
    #8462709 - 05/30/08 05:12 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No joke, I once made and charged a sigil (several times) to have sex with this really hot female, and for her to want me reeeaaally bad.

I can't say the sigil actually did anything, but she soon there after was madly in love with me and wanted sex even more than I could've imagined. :borat:

I want to get into these practices more once I can keep my head above water.


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: KetamineKatalyst] * 1
    #8465915 - 05/30/08 11:05 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Sigils are still my favorite tried and true method of casting intent. And yes, psychedelics can be well employed to achieve the necessary state of mind to charge them. Before I discovered psychedelics, I used sigilization in combination with sex magic, now occasionally I use cubensis in the formula for an intense and highly productive ritual. Ive tried cannabis with some success, but for the most part, the inability to hold fast to a train of thought on marijuana interferes with my intent


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: lavod] * 1
    #8469610 - 06/01/08 12:59 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

lavod said:

Though I'll perform magick during a journey, it shall always come on a whim when it feels right. In other words, I'm not going to trip in order to perform magick, magick will be employed THROUGH the trip.




I definitely agree with that.

The mindset achieved while tripping is perfect for preforming magic as it gives you a more direct connection to your subconscious and also makes one much more suggestible to any belief you would like to hold. Not to mention being a lot more receptive to symbolic messages.
Personally i'm too out of my skull to preform any kind of magick at the peak of a trip, but after that point where you're "definitely tripping" and before you're overwhelmed is a sweet spot. But the comedown (for me) is the wrong time to try any magic, it's a much better time to record any thoughts, insights or experiences that seem important at the time.

Just don't do anything that doesn't feel right, and BANISH OFTEN. Especially if something goes "wrong"

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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: Faaip_De_Oiad] * 1
    #8472111 - 06/01/08 07:11 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

OK, I am interested enough to ask for the basic 101 class on this subject....
Any book or video suggestions....?
Please, don't recommend a thick ass book that I will never get around to reading, keep it simple and basic, please....    :thumbup:
I "need" to know something, and I don't know what it is....


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: PhanTomCat] * 1
    #8474370 - 06/02/08 10:31 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

There are lots of different sigil / talisman / amulet methods, it depends on what you want to do.

Do you want to transform yourself or effect others? Do want to make contact with an Astral or make something happen?

I wish I could upload .pdfs...

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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: PhanTomCat] * 1
    #8474380 - 06/02/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

seems like week magik,
I am working on free energy from zero point.

I also have been working on summoning mile wide giant flying crafts.
I learned how to get girls many trips aggo.

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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: TokenZ] * 1
    #8474389 - 06/02/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

carfule you might make contact with giant bugs thinking they are divine beings lol nasty ass bugs, need a giant shoe

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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: deCypher] * 2
    #12252201 - 03/22/10 10:54 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I've had great success with psychedelics and sigils

salvia is actually really good for this kind of thing

make sure that first of all, once you got your sigil ready to go, you have absolutley NO memory of what that sigil was about.. AT ALL... this is one of the key parts most people forget, then wonder why their sigils never work... the desire that sigil holds should never at any point be consciously thought about during, or after the gnosis

here's what I do... make a bunch of sigils... like a lot of them, to the point where when you look at one of them, you cant remember for the life of you what that sigil was for.

tape the sigil on the wall in front of you so it's in full view.... or better yet, the ceiling, so you can lie down.

take a really really fat rip of 20-30x salvia, lie down and stare at the sigil until ego death takes hold.

discard sigil with fire... once you are able of course

done.

oh...and the orgasm technique works uber well while peaking on psychs

I've also memorized the shape of a few sigils to the point where I could visualize them in my minds eye in perfect detail... then, with the help of DXM, while lookin in the mirror, I visualized the sigils buring onto my chest/head/genitals

worked great


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: PhanTomCat] * 1
    #12255057 - 03/23/10 12:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6146253/Pop-Magic-Grant-Morrison ; Grant Morrison, author of the comic/hypersigil "The Inivisibles" is a chaos magician and one hell of a dude.  This is a nice short read and explains sigils nicely.  Happy reading!


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: PhanTomCat] * 2
    #12263948 - 03/24/10 04:30 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I "need" to know something, and I don't know what it is....

This line pretty much defines my whole life. It is the amnesia that follows one through one's incarnation on Earth. It is the anamnesia, the remembering one's True Identity that we seek.


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #12263992 - 03/24/10 04:39 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

:heart:

Its so true, this whole realization started for me in that way, i wanted to know but didn't know what it was that i wanted to know.

It can only be who you are

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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: Chronic7] * 1
    #12277933 - 03/26/10 04:01 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Yep. Hip gnosis. Because it's cool to "Know Thyself"  :cool:


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #12277960 - 03/26/10 04:07 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

If only it was perceived as cool... most would consider me a freak if i talked about this stuff to them


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Re: Sigil magick and using psychedelics for gnosis? [Re: LuSiD9] * 1
    #12277962 - 03/26/10 04:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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LuSiD9 said:
I've had great success with psychedelics and sigils

salvia is actually really good for this kind of thing

make sure that first of all, once you got your sigil ready to go, you have absolutley NO memory of what that sigil was about.. AT ALL... this is one of the key parts most people forget, then wonder why their sigils never work... the desire that sigil holds should never at any point be consciously thought about during, or after the gnosis

here's what I do... make a bunch of sigils... like a lot of them, to the point where when you look at one of them, you cant remember for the life of you what that sigil was for.

tape the sigil on the wall in front of you so it's in full view.... or better yet, the ceiling, so you can lie down.

take a really really fat rip of 20-30x salvia, lie down and stare at the sigil until ego death takes hold.

discard sigil with fire... once you are able of course

done.

oh...and the orgasm technique works uber well while peaking on psychs

I've also memorized the shape of a few sigils to the point where I could visualize them in my minds eye in perfect detail... then, with the help of DXM, while lookin in the mirror, I visualized the sigils buring onto my chest/head/genitals

worked great




Thanks for the info man!  I've had good results using N2O as a quick acting psychedelic/dissociative for this purpose but I should probably explore Salvia more.


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