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Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness?
    #8416808 - 05/18/08 03:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Can psychedelics trigger psychosis in patients with family history of mental illnesses such as schizophrenia? I am understanding that the common understanding is yes it can, but i cant find any definitive research.

From my understanding they gave schizophrenic patients (and themselves) LSD at the satchatchawan research facility to find greater understanding of schizophrenia.

I see all kinds of stuff on message boards and even a little split from Erowid but im looking for a solid piece of research documentation to either prove or disprove this.


MAPS (multiple discipline association of psychedellic studies or something like that) has an article on using it to on childhood schizophrenics but im really trying to focus on the "People with a family history of psychosis" aspect.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #8416876 - 05/18/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't need a study to tell you that yes, psychedelics can in fact trigger mental illness.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: g00ru]
    #8416909 - 05/18/08 03:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I believe that psychedelics can trigger mental illness only on the level that other environmental stressors contribute to the development of whatever disease is in question.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #8416993 - 05/18/08 04:07 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yes it can, sometimes. i have a history in the fam like tht but it never happened to me.


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    #8417026 - 05/18/08 04:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: spock1]
    #8417076 - 05/18/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

in my case it would be my family itsself that triggers it

family history of mental illness does NOT necessarily= mental illness


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: sublime40oz]
    #8417099 - 05/18/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I believe that psychedelics can trigger mental illness only on the level that other environmental stressors contribute to the development of whatever disease is in question.




i have to agree with this. im not aware of any actual studies, but with a little common sense and reasoning its easy to see how a psychedelic experience could pull the trigger. but thats not to say it wouldnt happen without the drug either.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: g00ru]
    #8417439 - 05/18/08 05:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah it's not the drug that triggers it, its the experience.

Any drug that can make it sound like voices are talking to you (like shrooms) cannot be good if you are borderline schizo.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: g00ru]
    #8417458 - 05/18/08 06:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

eh im completly outta the loop on that one lol but i think E and salvia did it for me at least, even with my bad shroom trips the urngency of E always seemed to shit on me afterwards, and salvia was jus hilarious(i wouldnt smoke it bymyself now, too much 'thinking' involved)

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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: Konyap]
    #8417487 - 05/18/08 06:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Psychedelics can cause mental illness just as much as they can cure it. Shamanic approaches can really act as a powerful medicine eliminating mental illness. However, tripping alone or in a negative environment with a lot of environmental stressors can trigger it. Honestly, IMHO learn to be strong minded an utilize psychedelics for their healing potential rather than recreational to procure success.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: jazzillion]
    #8417499 - 05/18/08 06:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

to each is own i guess i passed up 420 tho in pursuit of my own but it looks as if the money is nothing and im ok with were i am now at least

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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: Konyap]
    #8423143 - 05/20/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well i was wondering if anyone had any research articles they can point me twards on credible websites. Using LSD to cure mental illness is an amazing concept that the psychedelic researchers seemed to have grasped in the 50s. I found this wich seems promising.

The McGill Experience of Robert A. Cleghorn, MD: Recollections of D. Ewen Cameron
Cleghorn, Robert (1990) The McGill Experience of Robert A. Cleghorn, MD: Recollections of D. Ewen Cameron. Canadian Bulletin of Medical History / Bulletin canadien d'histoire de la médecine, 7 (1). pp. 53-76. ISSN 08232105

Abstract
In the past decade, the career of Dr. D. Ewen Cameron (1901-67), particularly his work at McGill in the 1950's and 1960's has attracted much attention. At least three books have been published about Cameron's controversial practices, now thoroughly discredited, of using various so-called depatterning techniques, including LSD, in investigating schizophrenia and in attempting to treat patients who had that disorder. These techniques are described in detail in the following pages. With the permission and cooperation of Dr. Cleghorn, a substantial portion of his memoirs has been excerpted.


here is the PDF http://www.cbmh.ca/archive/00000192/01/cbmhbchm_v7n1cleghorn.pdf


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #8423432 - 05/20/08 08:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i know for sure that it was used successfully by doctors to treat autism, depression, and cluster headaches


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #8423523 - 05/20/08 09:27 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

TV, popular culture, the propaganda machine we call the news, and the cell phones that seem to be taped to everyones head are a much bigger threat to mental health than psychedelics could ever be.


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #8425403 - 05/20/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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TV, popular culture, the propaganda machine we call the news, and the cell phones that seem to be taped to everyones head are a much bigger threat to mental health than psychedelics could ever be.



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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #8425413 - 05/20/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

are you 16?


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #8425417 - 05/20/08 07:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i only ask because of the name


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #8426227 - 05/20/08 09:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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i only ask because of the name



lol ya... the name does sound rather... adolescent (to say the least)


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8445492 - 05/26/08 12:28 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I still havent found any definitive research documentation,


this is similar

http://www.cbmh.ca/archive/00000192/01/cbmhbchm_v7n1cleghorn.pdf


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Re: Psychedelics triggering psychosis in patients with family history of mental illness? [Re: punkhardcore92]
    #8445566 - 05/26/08 12:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Considering that most hallucinogenic drugs have been deamed illegal to use in any sort of study, unless the government gives permission, since the 1960s... I'd say yr going to have a difficult time unearthing any type of experiments that rank in level of authenticity or legitimacy of psychological experimental procedures that are taught in yr 201 Research Methods class of today.

However, I'd like to commemerate yr committment to, relatively, scientific research in the world of psychedelic drugs--without people with this level of determination to use 'hard' experimental understanding of different psychedelic drugs, I'm sure we'd hear even more people claiming that LSD makes yr brain bleed.

Also, for everyone that's so convinced that psychedelic drugs can cause mental illness in people with a family history of mental illnesses: how can you be sure? seem's probable--even logical--but then again, so did 75+% of the medical practices prior to the 1950s (yeah, I pulled that statistic outta' my ass, but you get the point).

ANYWAY, now that I've ranted; good luck with yr inquirey. Please post anything else that you find!


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