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 OrgoneConclusion
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 I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened 
#8215170 - 03/30/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Can anyone shed some light on this paradoxical Chronicism?
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psyka
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 Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8215275 - 03/30/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Sure... its a perceptual change. A lesson in humility. Given the proper setting and time, its actually a beneficial way to see things, and to stop striving for some sort of hierarchal rank (enlightenment).
Its also incorrect view and can lead to many thoughts stemming from a self.
Depends on the person and the time.
Another useful one is to see everyone as if they were your mother at some point in time. This can help spring up compassion and selflessness. These are mostly Tibetan and Zen Buddhist thought exercises, and not necessarily to be regarded as ultimate truth.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8215306 - 03/30/08 04:02 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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enlightenment is already inside each of us, but our ego keeps it clouded?
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8215379 - 03/30/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I guarantee everyone on this forum has a different view of what enlightenment is, and that it is but a figment of all of our imaginations.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: deranger]
#8215405 - 03/30/08 04:36 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Unlike 'God' or 'soul' which garners unanimous consensus...
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psyka
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: deranger]
#8215682 - 03/30/08 05:48 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well I know what nibbana (enlightenment) is regarding the Buddhist perspective (definition).
It is seeing the process of Dependant Origination clearly.
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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: psyka]
#8215744 - 03/30/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Why does paradox sound so much more stuffy than contradiction?
What gives it this connontation?
If paradox was used in everyday speech, would we stand it next to such generic words as love, anger, upset, happy?
No one in everyday speech says, "I'm Euphoric!" We say instead, "I'm happy!"
Why?
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8216915 - 03/30/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Can anyone shed some light on this paradoxical Chronicism?
I'm happy to do just that.
It is bullshit.
Enlightenment is relative... and therefore can't be evenly distributed. I am more enlightened than some people, and others are more enlightened than me.
Another word for enlightenment is, "Knowledge"... some simply have more knowledge than others.
To a dumbass, a wise man may SEEM mystically enlightened... but he isn't... he simply has more knowledge and/or experience.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: Rose]
#8216930 - 03/30/08 10:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Not too shabby.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#8216995 - 03/30/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Everything is relevant, even ignorance in time can be seen as revelation.
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Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: allisthesame]
#8217011 - 03/30/08 10:17 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well, yes, your ignorance is revealed.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#8217044 - 03/30/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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And then you thrive. on what now? Ignorance or the truth?
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Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: allisthesame]
#8217073 - 03/30/08 10:27 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I don't know what the truth is but I have an idea about ignorance. That's what I've been telling you. 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#8217091 - 03/30/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I know why the truth is... not any ultimate truth, cause there is none... unless there is in which case we're all fucked.  (please, the latter) but I know what is ultimately right or wrong.
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LampShadeHelmet said:
i finally agree with at least 50% of one of your posts 
It's all the same, insn't it?
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Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened *DELETED* [Re: allisthesame]
#8217097 - 03/30/08 10:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
#8217110 - 03/30/08 10:32 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Semantics... you take another look first. tell me I'm wrong. and then we'll discuss why... unless you just except the truth.
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Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: allisthesame]
#8217115 - 03/30/08 10:34 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Quote:
allisthesame said:
I know why the truth is... not any ultimate truth, cause there is none... unless there is in which case we're all fucked. (please, the latter) but I know what is ultimately right or wrong.
Do you realize your post makes no sense? If there is no ultimate truth then you can't know ultimately right or wrong. Have you ever tried re-reading your posts at least once and maybe a spell check?
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: Icelander]
#8217172 - 03/30/08 10:43 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I thought there was no divisoin between right and wrong?
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Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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#8217185 - 03/30/08 10:45 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: I'm by no means enlightened... everyone is already enlightened [Re: wishcouldeletethis]
#8217208 - 03/30/08 10:48 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well, the lines blur soemtimes but I certainly don't harbor any regrets for I've said... I had no reason to battle with this dude here. But my brain is attracted to mental food still and he is trying to delay what was ultimately my enjoyment of this thread.
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Guess what?; You...
A spot of Sunshine: We are energy,... matter is energy that simply has been reduced to a crawl and condensed together to form something.
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