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OfflineMr. Cordoza
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I can't tell if these are subbs or not:
    #8204654 - 03/28/08 12:42 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I was out behind the high school again with my nose in the dirt and found a few of what I think are pan subbs, but I cant tell. Ive never seen them so big before; the ones I'd find in so-cal before moving to the pacific northwest were never longer than my pinky.

I've just laid them all out for spores half an hour ago, but I peeked under one of the bigger caps and they're already coming out black.

I guess this is a pretty dumb question since all the signs seem to point to subbs, but I figured I'd ask just to make sure. My only reason for concern is that I haven't seen any subbs in this area before.


Most were found growing straight out of the ground, all clustered together, in an oak/pine forest around Portland, Oregon. One in particular, the one with the severed cap just to the right of the penny, was found growing alone on a piece of fallen wood a foot away from the patch of presumed subbs.


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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
    #8204842 - 03/28/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

AFAIK Subbs don't grow on wood.

Aside from that, you need more info in your request to get a proper answer.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: molimo140]
    #8205052 - 03/28/08 05:57 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ehh... either your picture is horrible or those are something other than subbs.

Of course, if they print jet black (like a sharpie) they're probably subbs.

Except the one growing from wood. Unless the wood had horsepoo on it... Seriously though, throw that one out.


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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
    #8205460 - 03/28/08 10:04 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I think they are probably a species of Psathyrella. They certainly do not look like Panaeolus subbalteatus.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: xmush]
    #8205468 - 03/28/08 10:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yea its Psathyrella. The stem gives it away.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8205474 - 03/28/08 10:09 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Indeedy. Subbs have stems that you could tie a knot with. Psathyrellas virtually all have easy to snap stems, even the really big ones like P. velutina. It's like snapping someone's pinky in half. Which I do a lot what with my mafia work and all.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8206521 - 03/28/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
Yea its Psathyrella. The stem gives it away.



Word.


As for tying knots with subbs, I duuuunnnoooo. They are more fibrous and tough than Panaeolina foenisecii, sure, and WAY more sturdy than any Psathyrella species, but the stipes still snap, they aren't that tough.

btw - Lacrymaria lacrymabunda (=Psathyrella velutina)


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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: CureCat]
    #8206739 - 03/28/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks a bunch, and I'm sorry about the shitty pic haha.

The stems are definitely not bendable. They're pretty sturdy, but not bendable. Hollow, though. One thing I've noticed is that there seems to be a clockwise corkscrew sort of pattern with the fibers on the stalk, similar to what subbs display, but there isn't any bluing on any of them so I'm pretty skeptical.

Psathyrella hirta seems to be a pretty good match.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
    #8206981 - 03/28/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'd call it that.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: CureCat]
    #8208680 - 03/28/08 10:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'll take this as a challenge and post some knot tying pics with subbs that I'll find soon (hopefully). Maybe I'll tie it balloon animal style into a big slug or something.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: xmush]
    #8210901 - 03/29/08 04:00 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they look like haymakers to me


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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: HeiligBoomerz]
    #8211674 - 03/29/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They would have brown prints in that case, and the OP stated they were black. Plus, some were growing directly from wood. Finally, given the stem consistency, they are definitely not haymakers (Paneolina foenesecii).

Psathyrella ftw

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: xmush]
    #8218231 - 03/31/08 04:15 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Man this thread confuses me, I thought you were all talking about subaerignosa, cause I was about to say that they definately grow on wood.. but I think you're talking subbtealus (sp)>? They look like regular subaerignosa's too me, minus the bluing... I don't know what is going on.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: deXtrous]
    #8218239 - 03/31/08 04:23 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

sub = Psilocybe subaeruginosa

subb = Panaeolus subbalteatus

common names = FAIL

The mushrooms pictured above look kind of like subbs, but nothing like subs.


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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: CureCat]
    #8218518 - 03/31/08 08:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Haha yeah I meant Panaeolus subbalteatus.  Sorry for the confusion. :thumbup:

I was talking with a friend of mine about them and she agreed to try a tea made of the mushrooms.  Nothing actually happened though, so I'm 99.9% positive now these aren't subbs.

Is making tea of suspect poisonous mushrooms a bad idea?  Will any mycotoxins be present in the liquid?

As far as I know Psathyrella hirta isn't poisonous; just for future reference I guess.  Might save my guinea pig friend's life.

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Re: I can't tell if these are subbs or not: [Re: Mr. Cordoza]
    #8218863 - 03/31/08 10:59 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, making tea out of unidentified mushrooms (especially ones you suspect are poisonous) is no better than eating them straight, both of which are extremelt=y stupid and dangerous ideas!!!

Don't ever let your friend do that again, if they had been poisonous, she could have died or needed a liver transplant.


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