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Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech
    #8165413 - 03/19/08 03:47 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8165441 - 03/19/08 04:24 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

That history helps explain the wealth and income gap between black and white, and the concentrated pockets of poverty that persists in so many of today's urban and rural communities.

A lack of economic opportunity among black men, and the shame and frustration that came from not being able to provide for one's family, contributed to the erosion of black families -- a problem that welfare policies for many years may have worsened.

That anger may not get expressed in public, in front of white co-workers or white friends. But it does find voice in the barbershop or around the kitchen table. At times, that anger is exploited by politicians, to gin up votes along racial lines, or to make up for a politician's own failings.

But the anger is real; it is powerful; and to simply wish it away, to condemn it without understanding its roots, only serves to widen the chasm of misunderstanding that exists between the races.

In fact, a similar anger exists within segments of the white community. Most working- and middle-class white Americans don't feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race.

Their experience is the immigrant experience -- as far as they're concerned, no one's handed them anything, they've built it from scratch. They've worked hard all their lives, many times only to see their jobs shipped overseas or their pension dumped after a lifetime of labor.

They are anxious about their futures, and feel their dreams slipping away; in an era of stagnant wages and global competition, opportunity comes to be seen as a zero sum game, in which your dreams come at my expense.

So when they are told to bus their children to a school across town; when they hear that an African-American is getting an advantage in landing a good job or a spot in a good college because of an injustice that they themselves never committed; when they're told that their fears about crime in urban neighborhoods are somehow prejudiced, resentment builds over time.

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im not a big Obama fan but that was a pretty good speech and he seemed sincere in airing out the concerns he feels the people share

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8165468 - 03/19/08 04:57 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

> A lack of economic opportunity among black men

Although not completely, this is partly 'self-caused'. There is an expectation of failure in the black culture. Anybody that tries to rise above poverty, that tries to get a good education, that tries to better their life, is looked down upon as a sell out to the white man. (Don't misread; I am not blaming this as the sole cause... but it doesn't help that those being effected by 'racial poverty' actually perpetuate the problem (and then blame others) rather than fighting against problem and rewarding those that succeed.)


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Seuss]
    #8165492 - 03/19/08 05:29 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

yeah i dont agree with everything he said, and i felt like at times he was almost making it sounds as though I should be obligated to vote for him- i dont know it was just the impression i got. but i still felt the overall message was a good one, and I was shocked that he went there.

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8165505 - 03/19/08 05:52 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

> i still felt the overall message was a good one, and I was shocked that he went there.

He had no choice, he had to "go there". He had to let the majority of US voters know that he isn't "anti-american", yet he still had to reassure the black voters that he isn't a sell out that is going to abandon his culture. Although I am not an Obama supporter, I think he did as good as anybody could have done in the position he was in. Time will tell if it worked or not...

Vote Billary! Eight more years of change! Woot!


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Seuss]
    #8165549 - 03/19/08 06:31 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Fuck Billary. This was a great speech and shows his commitement to the entire nation and all it's peoples.

Just wait till the racist guys show up on this thread. That's what stopped me from posting it. I think they've been flocking to my posts in here.

I still love you though zappa :heart:


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Seuss]
    #8165670 - 03/19/08 08:24 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Although not completely, this is partly 'self-caused'.  There is an expectation of failure in the black culture.  Anybody that tries to rise above poverty, that tries to get a good education, that tries to better their life, is looked down upon as a sell out to the white man.  (Don't misread; I am not blaming this as the sole cause... but it doesn't help  that those being effected by 'racial poverty' actually perpetuate the problem (and then blame others) rather than fighting against problem and rewarding those that succeed.)




He covered this too, I think, to some extent. :thumbup:


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8165737 - 03/19/08 09:01 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Yep, he definately did say that black dads need to man up. He was very realistic and this is the kind of approach I need to see vrom every politician on every issue. Candor, truth, and being willing to risk your campaign to stand up for the right thing.

B-Rock all the way, baby yeah :thumbup:


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8165878 - 03/19/08 09:55 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Summary of the speech:


My Mentor/pastor said some bad things (like “God Damn America,” )

My White grandmother said some bad things (like, “Let’s cross the street those gang members are scaring me.”)

I wouldn’t disown my grandmother.

Therefore: I can’t disown Reverend Wright.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8166003 - 03/19/08 10:40 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Seuss said:
Although not completely, this is partly 'self-caused'. There is an expectation of failure in the black culture. Anybody that tries to rise above poverty, that tries to get a good education, that tries to better their life, is looked down upon as a sell out to the white man. (Don't misread; I am not blaming this as the sole cause... but it doesn't help that those being effected by 'racial poverty' actually perpetuate the problem (and then blame others) rather than fighting against problem and rewarding those that succeed.)



He mentions "our own complicity, within the african american community, in our own condition."

Quote:

Summary of the speech:


My Mentor/pastor said some bad things (like “God Damn America,” )

My White grandmother said some bad things (like, “Let’s cross the street those gang members are scaring me.”)

I wouldn’t disown my grandmother.

Therefore: I can’t disown Reverend Wright.



This is totally wrong, he neither made nor inferred any such syllogism. He mentioned that his grandmother had confessed fear of black men (not "gang members") as a single 30 second example of how flawed people can be essentially good.


This is a strong speech - if you're curious and haven't heard it, listen.

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    #8166041 - 03/19/08 10:48 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: phi1618]
    #8166064 - 03/19/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

phi1618 said:



Quote:

Summary of the speech:


My Mentor/pastor said some bad things (like “God Damn America,” )

My White grandmother said some bad things (like, “Let’s cross the street those gang members are scaring me.”)

I wouldn’t disown my grandmother.

Therefore: I can’t disown Reverend Wright.




This is totally wrong, he neither made nor inferred any such syllogism. He mentioned that his grandmother had confessed fear of black men (not "gang members") as a single 30 second example of how flawed people can be essentially good.








" I can no more disown [Jeremiah Wright] than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe. "



His white Grandmother's stereotypical fear of Blacks made Obama cringe...


What a worthless piece of shit!


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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8166085 - 03/19/08 10:58 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

i thought most of the speech was GOOD just not the part that he threw his grandma under the bus....


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    #8166089 - 03/19/08 10:58 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8166094 - 03/19/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

yes i now hate the man. Grandma was the icing on the cake.


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    #8166113 - 03/19/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
    #8166124 - 03/19/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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supernovasky said:
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yes i now hate the man. Grandma was the icing on the cake.




I can only hope that you can find the tolerance and understanding that so many others have found through the evolution of Obama's campaign.





I WILL NEVER DRINK THE KOOL-AID:grin::grin::grin:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #8166239 - 03/19/08 11:40 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

He did about as well with the situation as anyone could, I guess, but it's still a piece of shit speech from a hypocritical pandering dishonest Chicago pol. Oh... and a pinko surrender monkey to boot, although that is not as apparent in this speech as it has been in others.

There's just so much crap that jumps out at me after the first runthrough that I'll have to watch it again a few more times and make notes to keep track of it all in order to do it justice. This is what military types refer to as a "target rich environment".

I don't understand why this guy has such a reputation as an awesome orator. Doesn't anyone bother listening to what he's actually saying? This stuff shouldn't fool a halfway informed high school sophomore, much less a full grown adult.




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Re: Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech [Re: Phred]
    #8166307 - 03/19/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Lets "hope that you can find the tolerance and understanding that so many others have found through the evolution of Obama's campaign."

:grin:


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    #8166334 - 03/19/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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