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Are the days of muscle cars gone?
    #8018436 - 02/13/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

End of an Era?
With new rules and revised CAFE standards, the days of powerful, fuel-thirsty cars may soon be long gone.





By Lawrence Ulrich Click to see more pictures The goverment is ready to take the gasoline out of car enthusiasts' veins.

There's only one thing to say about a Corvette that can top 200 mph, or a Cadillac sedan that makes the muscle cars of the '60s seem like a bunch of wimps: Enjoy it while it lasts. This golden age of horsepower may be coming to an end, at least in the gas-guzzling manner to which we've become accustomed.

An initial stroll through the recent auto show in Detroit might convince you that nothing has changed. GM was touting the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, a 620-horsepower 200-mph monster that's simply the fastest production car in GM's history. Next door at the Cadillac display, the CTS-V sport sedan was flexing its 550-horsepower muscles.

Even squeaky-clean Toyota — ignoring recent environmental backlash over guzzlers such as its Tundra pickup — offered the 500-plus horsepower Lexus LF-A roadster. This Tokyo demon, heading to showrooms next year, should also break the 200-mph barrier.

These hard-drinking machines might convince you that automakers are still partying like it's 1999, when gas cost around $1.20 a gallon. But just under the Detroit show's surface, something else was brewing. And it wasn't high-octane unleaded.

Read: Gasoline's New Math: Miles Per Dollar

New rules will force the car kings to shift their focus. Revised CAFE standards require automakers to raise the average mileage of their car and truck fleets to 35 mpg by 2020. Proposed pollution standards in the U.S. and Europe may force even more dramatic increases. And if California wins the right in court to regulate global-warming emissions, you might just kiss your super-powered car goodbye — at least those that rely solely on gasoline.

In Europe the government and greens are proposing carbon-dioxide targets so strict that, if passed, not a single gas-burning model on sale today — including hybrids like the Toyota Prius — would pass muster.

The situation recalls the end of the first muscle-car era, which left Boomers shedding tears for their beloved GTOs, Shelby Mustangs and Hemi 'Cudas. In the early '70s, the first-ever tailpipe standards were a critical step toward cleaning up smoggy cities, but they also helped strangle the muscle car. It took two decades and a serious dose of engineering Viagra before cars recovered their potency.

The unfortunate side effect is that the average car today slurps more gasoline than it did 20 years ago. Cars became vastly quicker and more powerful. And of course, Americans switched en masse to SUVs.

Read: Fuel Economy: Then and Now

For anyone — including myself — with a need for speed, the longtime cliché is that they have gasoline in their veins. But a century's worth of shooting-up has put us where we are now, trying to kick a national addiction to oil.

As a result, the Motown show also featured enough green cars to stock a Sierra Club parking lot. On display was Toyota's hybrid A-BAT concept pickup and General Motors' latest hybrids, including a plug-in Saturn Vue SUV that's coming in 2010. Mercedes, VW and Honda hyped their high-mileage diesel cars that can even meet California's tough pollution rules.

Tellingly, the show also saw carmakers backing away from the thrilling-but-thirsty V8 engine that's as much a part of American culture as rock and roll. GM deep-sixed a $300 million project to develop a new V8, with Vice Chairman Bob Lutz saying that new fuel-economy rules directly sparked the move. Ford plans to drop V8s from several models, replacing them with turbocharged V6 and four-cylinder engines that go farther on a gallon.

If all that doesn't have you seeing the writing on the wall, you'd better schedule an eye exam. Still, if there's a difference between today's golden age of performance and the '60s original, it's the ability of technology to ride to the rescue.

Discuss: Do you think the new regulations will really mean the end of high-powered cars or will technology come to the rescue once again?

At the Detroit show, I asked Lutz — the GM car czar who famously inspired the Dodge Viper while at Chrysler — whether this was the last hurrah for horsepower. And while Lutz has become a vocal supporter of hybrids, electric cars and alternative fuels, he said that cars like the Corvette would still find their niche. "At the height of the vegetarian craze, the grocery stores are still selling New York steaks," Lutz said.

Lutz's point was that some people will always find a way to go fast. But the future does look bleak for speed machines powered by gasoline. While it's too early to predict which fuels will be winners and losers, it's certain that there will be multiple players. Half the new cars sold in Europe run on clean diesel, and that impressive technology is finally on its way here.

Mercedes showed off a sumptuous diesel-hybrid S-Class sedan that delivers 44 mpg. Audi will almost certainly bring us a diesel version of its spectacular R8 sports car, combining 500 horsepower with a respectable 24 mpg.

Energy experts agree that the transition to alternative fuels will take decades. There will still be gas pumps 30 and 40 years from now. Car lovers will still be able to cruise their classic internal combustion machines, whether it's a '32 Ford Deuce Coupe, a '57 Chevy or today's hottest rides.

But the days of guzzling gas as quickly as you can hose it into your tank are over. Looking back 30 years from now, we'll know it was not only the right move, but the only move.

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018448 - 02/13/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

it's sad but i think they are.


i love me a nice muscle car, too. thankfully there are lots of the classics around here and i get to see and hear them frequently enough.


"hey baby, lemme sit on the hood while you rev up the engine."


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018451 - 02/13/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is necissary, but it still sucks.  Also, I hate how they bash the corvette.  Yeah, it has a lot of power (Z06 has 505 horsepower), but it's also pretty damn fuel efficient.  It praises the Audi R8 for it's high horsepower and it's 24mpg.  Which is funny because the Z06 get's 24 mpg. 

They need to leave the 'vette alone.  :crankey:

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #8018461 - 02/13/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Acidic_Sloth said:
"hey baby, lemme sit on the hood while you rev up the engine."





I'll be right over, babe.  :inlove:

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018468 - 02/13/08 04:49 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

only if you have a mustang or something similar.


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #8018474 - 02/13/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Corvette?

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018479 - 02/13/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

ehh, corvettes are nice, but the rumble of a classic mustang makes me wet.


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018554 - 02/13/08 05:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Cowgold said:
End of an Era?
With new rules and revised CAFE standards, the days of powerful, fuel-thirsty cars may soon be long gone.





By Lawrence Ulrich Click to see more pictures The goverment is ready to take the gasoline out of car enthusiasts' veins.

There's only one thing to say about a Corvette that can top 200 mph, or a Cadillac sedan that makes the muscle cars of the '60s seem like a bunch of wimps: Enjoy it while it lasts. This golden age of horsepower may be coming to an end, at least in the gas-guzzling manner to which we've become accustomed.

An initial stroll through the recent auto show in Detroit might convince you that nothing has changed. GM was touting the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, a 620-horsepower 200-mph monster that's simply the fastest production car in GM's history. Next door at the Cadillac display, the CTS-V sport sedan was flexing its 550-horsepower muscles.

Even squeaky-clean Toyota — ignoring recent environmental backlash over guzzlers such as its Tundra pickup — offered the 500-plus horsepower Lexus LF-A roadster. This Tokyo demon, heading to showrooms next year, should also break the 200-mph barrier.

These hard-drinking machines might convince you that automakers are still partying like it's 1999, when gas cost around $1.20 a gallon. But just under the Detroit show's surface, something else was brewing. And it wasn't high-octane unleaded.

Read: Gasoline's New Math: Miles Per Dollar

New rules will force the car kings to shift their focus. Revised CAFE standards require automakers to raise the average mileage of their car and truck fleets to 35 mpg by 2020. Proposed pollution standards in the U.S. and Europe may force even more dramatic increases. And if California wins the right in court to regulate global-warming emissions, you might just kiss your super-powered car goodbye — at least those that rely solely on gasoline.

In Europe the government and greens are proposing carbon-dioxide targets so strict that, if passed, not a single gas-burning model on sale today — including hybrids like the Toyota Prius — would pass muster.

The situation recalls the end of the first muscle-car era, which left Boomers shedding tears for their beloved GTOs, Shelby Mustangs and Hemi 'Cudas. In the early '70s, the first-ever tailpipe standards were a critical step toward cleaning up smoggy cities, but they also helped strangle the muscle car. It took two decades and a serious dose of engineering Viagra before cars recovered their potency.

The unfortunate side effect is that the average car today slurps more gasoline than it did 20 years ago. Cars became vastly quicker and more powerful. And of course, Americans switched en masse to SUVs.

Read: Fuel Economy: Then and Now

For anyone — including myself — with a need for speed, the longtime cliché is that they have gasoline in their veins. But a century's worth of shooting-up has put us where we are now, trying to kick a national addiction to oil.

As a result, the Motown show also featured enough green cars to stock a Sierra Club parking lot. On display was Toyota's hybrid A-BAT concept pickup and General Motors' latest hybrids, including a plug-in Saturn Vue SUV that's coming in 2010. Mercedes, VW and Honda hyped their high-mileage diesel cars that can even meet California's tough pollution rules.

Tellingly, the show also saw carmakers backing away from the thrilling-but-thirsty V8 engine that's as much a part of American culture as rock and roll. GM deep-sixed a $300 million project to develop a new V8, with Vice Chairman Bob Lutz saying that new fuel-economy rules directly sparked the move. Ford plans to drop V8s from several models, replacing them with turbocharged V6 and four-cylinder engines that go farther on a gallon.

If all that doesn't have you seeing the writing on the wall, you'd better schedule an eye exam. Still, if there's a difference between today's golden age of performance and the '60s original, it's the ability of technology to ride to the rescue.

Discuss: Do you think the new regulations will really mean the end of high-powered cars or will technology come to the rescue once again?

At the Detroit show, I asked Lutz — the GM car czar who famously inspired the Dodge Viper while at Chrysler — whether this was the last hurrah for horsepower. And while Lutz has become a vocal supporter of hybrids, electric cars and alternative fuels, he said that cars like the Corvette would still find their niche. "At the height of the vegetarian craze, the grocery stores are still selling New York steaks," Lutz said.

Lutz's point was that some people will always find a way to go fast. But the future does look bleak for speed machines powered by gasoline. While it's too early to predict which fuels will be winners and losers, it's certain that there will be multiple players. Half the new cars sold in Europe run on clean diesel, and that impressive technology is finally on its way here.

Mercedes showed off a sumptuous diesel-hybrid S-Class sedan that delivers 44 mpg. Audi will almost certainly bring us a diesel version of its spectacular R8 sports car, combining 500 horsepower with a respectable 24 mpg.

Energy experts agree that the transition to alternative fuels will take decades. There will still be gas pumps 30 and 40 years from now. Car lovers will still be able to cruise their classic internal combustion machines, whether it's a '32 Ford Deuce Coupe, a '57 Chevy or today's hottest rides.

But the days of guzzling gas as quickly as you can hose it into your tank are over. Looking back 30 years from now, we'll know it was not only the right move, but the only move.



thats not a muscle car you faggot. thats a pussy ass imitation. these are muscle cars. ones that spit out gasoline from the exhaust because we all know that fuel injection and catalytic converters are for pussies.



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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018557 - 02/13/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure about muscle cars.. but the day Nascar dies is a day of victory in my book.


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #8018562 - 02/13/08 05:10 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

UNF!

now that's what i'm talking about.


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #8018572 - 02/13/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I still miss my '82 Z28.
Sure.. it only got like 3 miles per gallon... and whenever it snowed or rained I was sliding all over the road. But goddamn that thing rumbled and I could take most of those motherfuckers on a straight in their pussymobiles.


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #8018573 - 02/13/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

slothie if i drive to cali in a 70 GTO to pick you up will you be mine 4 lyfe?  :awesome:


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Cowgold]
    #8018606 - 02/13/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)




i want this one :grin:


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #8018615 - 02/13/08 05:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:lol:

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
    #8018654 - 02/13/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Acidic_Sloth said:
"hey baby, lemme sit on the hood while you rev up the engine."





hahaha... I had a Pontiac you'd have loved

muscle cars died in the mid 70's with the first energy crisis, OPEC had a strangle
hold on america then and it seems they still do, they'll fade for a time, just
like before but they'll eventually come back even if it's not as a gas burner

youtube for some compressed air powered vehicles

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: wrestler_az]
    #8018665 - 02/13/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

that's a funny car, not a muscle car.

this is my muscle car:


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #8018898 - 02/13/08 06:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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thats not a muscle car you faggot.  thats a pussy ass imitation.  these are muscle cars.  ones that spit out gasoline from the exhaust because we all know that fuel injection and catalytic converters are for pussies.

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Easy there cowboy.  You've got some nice cars.  I know I'd love to have a 68 chevelle.  It definitely would be sweet, but I need more garage space right now though.

I'll be without it for about 6 weeks here pretty soon.  Sending it to Lingenfelter for their 630 hp package.



Wanna line up with my pussy car?  :grin:

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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8018953 - 02/13/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I still miss my '82 Z28.
Sure.. it only got like 3 miles per gallon... and whenever it snowed or rained I was sliding all over the road. But goddamn that thing rumbled and I could take most of those motherfuckers on a straight in their pussymobiles.



93
Stock?  If so, they were quite slow!  I think the second gens were the best looking camaros/birds though.  The muscle car era is over-romanticized.  Sure, there were a lot of relatively quick cars from the mid 60's- early 70's, but the production numbers of all the big engined models were low.  By far, most people opted for the base engined cars just for the looks.  Posers, a sheep in wolf's clothing if you will.
Nowadays, the rawness has unfortunately vanished but the performance has come back in a big way from both the "import" and "domestic" market.  But, I'll take my '74 bug with a built turbo engine over any so called "muscle car" thank you very much:cool:.  Oh yeah, if you have raw fuel coming out your exhaust, unless you're running alky or pop, you're pig rich!
93 93/93


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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: Shroomism]
    #8018965 - 02/13/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm not sure about muscle cars.. but the day Nascar dies is a day of victory in my book.




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Re: Are the days of muscle cars gone? [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #8019585 - 02/13/08 08:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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slothie if i drive to cali in a 70 GTO to pick you up will you be mine 4 lyfe?  :awesome:




hell yeah!


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