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InvisibleChronic7

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Interconnectedness & String Theory?
    #8009321 - 02/11/08 03:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Could someone elaborate on this?

There only place ive heard of the string theory was in Stephen Hawkings Universe In A Nutshell, i read the whole book in 45 minutes so didnt exactly take it all in.

However ive heard that the storng theory relates to interconnectedness well?

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009335 - 02/11/08 03:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The Elegant Universe is on youtube, I'm sure.

It's a very awesome series on String Theory.
&q=the+elegant+universe&total=139&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: dirtworshipper]
    #8009352 - 02/11/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You poor americans, theres like 20 adverts before it even starts!!!

Thanks for the link...


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009358 - 02/11/08 03:48 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

well basically they theorized what could be the most reducible/fundamental "building block" of energy.

you know how we first discovered cells, then molecules, then atoms, then protons, then quarks/positrons.... well since our grasp has exceeded our reach, and we really arent able to see much smaller, or observe in some other way much beyond that, we had to theorize.
it is called string theory because due to the math and such they figured they were just strings of energy vibrating at different frequencies, but some of them were closed strings (circles).

until a few years ago there were 5 or 6 undisputed string theory equations which accounted for anywhere from 5 to 23 different dimensions, but I guess they had a meeting and all decided upon a unified theory and agreed that there were 12 dimensions.

so, I dont know what it really entails for interconnectedness, but according to string theory, the universe described at the most reducible form is that everything is either space or strings of energy vibrating at different frequencies.

who knows, maybe one day we will find out that they all vibrate at octaves of 440 or the color blue.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #8009443 - 02/11/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

i expect that there is some pervading quality in which holographic effects occur, which enables fragments to echo totality, information wise, with clarity and definition increasing as parts coalesce.

a natural interconnectedness increases the clarity. but this is not the interconnectedness of remotely related particles; though it may relate to some aspect of the connectedness, something like vibratory resonance that may be engaged in one or more of 10 other dimensions.

i expect that only because I want to expect that, and I keep running into resonance being significant especially as we begin to produce things industrially that are so complex and so layered in nature that only a tiny fraction of humanity actually understand, while nearly everyone carries holographically stamped credit cards or ID or paper money, and nearly everyone in the first world has access to at least one computer.

realistically I know nothing about this - I just keep seeing fractal and holographic solutions where vibratory interference seems to recreate patterns and these patterns become connection keys -

it happens in the mind, and it happens in nature.

running into such consistency by observation (maybe just because we want to see that) is fairly encouraging.

I am stringing you along, this is nothing to do with string theory, but it hangs together by consistency and experience rather than math and experiment.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009480 - 02/11/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

if you've got your head around some Physics and Math, I'd recommend a book called: The Collapse Of Chaos - Jack Cohen


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009481 - 02/11/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quantum mechanics:

So basically on a subatomic level anything is possible?
There is pure potential. But total randomness.

I find it very hard to understand, how all is interconnected if there's total randomness to subatomic levels. Then it simply cant be connected. (which i then do not beleive) because i KNOW everything is connected, im just looking for sceintific theory of this.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009497 - 02/11/08 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

what if all subatomic particles were connected in a way by energy not observable by the physical eyes and mind, would this change the way you come to your conclusion?

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009500 - 02/11/08 04:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

imagine tieing a leash around a jellyfish


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009504 - 02/11/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

What exactly do you mean by interconnected?

Quantum mechanics tells us anything can happen at the subatomic level, but not everything is equally probable.

Think of it like the butterfly in South America causing a hurricane in China, only on an even smaller scale.

No one really has a satisfactory answer to your question though, because it gets at things which operate on a level we don't understand. String theory and quantum mechanics are useful models for conceptualizing the general workings of things in reality, but they do not tell us the mechanisms by which things work.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: deranger]
    #8009510 - 02/11/08 04:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

SyntheticMInd said:
what if all subatomic particles were connected in a way by energy not observable by the physical eyes and mind, would this change the way you come to your conclusion?




Yes, i just don't like the idea of complete randomness being all there is, i can understand total randmoness being the basis for the universe, as then anything is possible, life has pure potential multiple lives etc...i dont know how they can meausre this to certain dimensions though!

But there HAS to be something beyond this randomness,(interconnectedness/cosmis consciousness) which unifies, i havent got to the end of that film yet though...just did.

D'OH! I dont think these strings should or can ever be measured though, it can only be a theory right?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009582 - 02/11/08 04:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This (string theory) to me sounds like sympathetic vibrational magnestism/interconnectedness/cosmic consciousness, but quantum mechanics brings the true potential of this to surface.

Would that be a rational way to look at it?


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009589 - 02/11/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's all about the Quantum Jitters motherfuckers!


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009603 - 02/11/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

randomness as a concept is definitely not the basis of the universe.  the universe is a process that cannot be defined through language.  it is beyond language, beyond anything we can objectify and squeeze into a mere idea.  though i can identify with the desire to "grasp" :thumbup:

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009606 - 02/11/08 05:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have a hunch that electrons are shared simultaneously throughout the universe. A part of me is a part of you. A part of us is a part of another galaxy. And all consciousness is a part of all of the universe. All one. Always.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009611 - 02/11/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

damn, that almost sends tingles up my spine :wink:

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Chronic7]
    #8009639 - 02/11/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

11 dimensions total,10 plus time.
and dont forget the parallel universes.

These parallel universes exist less than one millimetre away from us. In fact, our gravity is just a weak signal leaking out of another universe into ours.

It may well be that the Big Bang wasn't really the beginning of everything after all. Time and space all existed before it. In fact Big Bangs may happen all the time.

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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: HerbBaker]
    #8009655 - 02/11/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Universes might just be blackholes. That is why we cannot "exit" this universe, yet it continues to expand. Gravity suckage bros.


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009683 - 02/11/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You should look into "Bose-Einstein condensates"...if you already see electrons as being shared, you've only got half way to go :wink:


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Re: Interconnectedness & String Theory? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #8009694 - 02/11/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Universes might just be blackholes. That is why we cannot "exit" this universe, yet it continues to expand. Gravity suckage bros.

Even a black hole has a "lifetime"...if it doesn't feed it doesn't last.


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