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 FarFromHere
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 Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus 
#7975501 - 02/03/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If ANYONE knows ANYBODY who has eaten psychoactive cacti BESIDES Lophophora and Trichocereus PLEASE tell me EVERYTHING you POSSIBLY can tell me about it!
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Groomies
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 Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7975568 - 02/03/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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let me know too.. i would love to know more about cacti
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FarFromHere
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: Groomies]
#7975693 - 02/03/08 10:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I really doubt anybody knows anyone with personal experience...
but we will see...
Maybe somebody has a friend of a friend....
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yageman
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7975742 - 02/03/08 10:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://users.lycaeum.org/~iamklaus/botany.htm
There it is.
The lycaeum.
Good info there.
Lots of other types of cacti contain different but relatively low amounts of mescaline and related alks.
Some of them sure as hell do something.
I have tried afew but after trying them I used them as additives.
Some of them feel like the boil of some of the common, white, psychedelic cacti core. Some resemble the skins of the two or three most commonly used columnar cacti.
So many chemicals in these funky fruits.
They are all special, and some of them are worth using.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (02/03/08 10:45 PM)
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FarFromHere
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: yageman]
#7975779 - 02/03/08 10:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every cactus on that list is NOT psychoactive.
It seems pretty dated...
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 thedudenj
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7975869 - 02/03/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sigh Opuntia genus has a few reported.
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yageman
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere] 1
#7975902 - 02/03/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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FarFromHere said:
Every cactus on that list is NOT psychoactive.
It seems pretty dated...
A THANKS would have been nice........lol
Thats where you start, ya dumbass.
Ariocarpus and Opunita are the only ones I have tried and I can say that yes, some of them do some strange things.
You dont have to believe me, or that site.
That site pretty much the best directory you are going to get.
Its a hell of a stepping stone so that you can further study your own damn question.
Its not some answer to your every question.
And yes, some of those cacti are probably very much inactive and that is a given when sorting through such a list.
Some of them definately are active.
So ya, a thanks would have been nice.
Its a place to start, asshole.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (02/03/08 11:16 PM)
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FarFromHere
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: yageman]
#7976062 - 02/03/08 11:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So ya, a thanks would have been nice.
Aw dude, I'm sorry!
Thank you!
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That site pretty much the best directory you are going to get.
Some of M. S. Smith's stuff on the subject is pretty good.
Look!
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FarFromHere
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7976072 - 02/03/08 11:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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O fuck ya! It worked! Fucking Cool!!!
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yageman
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7976160 - 02/04/08 12:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, im sorry
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: yageman]
#7976229 - 02/04/08 12:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's cool.
Thanks for posting.
You don't have a FOAF who has tryed any of these cacti do you?
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Edited by FarFromHere (02/04/08 12:43 AM)
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: FarFromHere]
#7978016 - 02/04/08 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If these cacti were worth it the natives would have continued with the practices. but no they choose Lophophora..
The other actives in these cacti (besides trace amounts of Mescaline) MAY extenuate the effects of mescaline containing cacti, But will most likely induce vomiting and delusion. Many are datura related and will make you physically uncomfortable and a danger to yourself and others.
I imagine nobody dives into these uncharted waters because of the obvious danger involved. These plants are unstudied (much like RCs) and you indulge at your own risk. Learn how to setup general extractions and run a chromatography column, this will get you on the right track for what your trying to do.
http://www.mfaint.demon.co.uk/cactus/turbo/alkaloids.html
http://tribes.tribe.net/ethnobotany/thread/eb6a229c-0cd0-44bf-a880-c23a4d342756
Mabey if you keep asking this question every week youll get an answer. Good Luck Teo!
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Rectul Threat
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: Legoulash]
#7978062 - 02/04/08 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trichocereus sounds like a dinosaur!
ROAAAARR
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Legoulash
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: Rectul Threat]
#7978161 - 02/04/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mod Edit: No flaming.
Edited by namaste (02/04/08 04:00 PM)
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FarFromHere
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Re: Psychoactive Cacti other than Lophophora and Trichocereus [Re: Legoulash]
#7978662 - 02/04/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the links...
I'm not sure what you said...
But "no flaming"!
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redgreenvines
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Cactouasca - Pachycereus pringlei [Re: FarFromHere]
#7978837 - 02/04/08 05:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.azarius.net/news/89/item/
http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/professor-x.html
check it out
Pachycereus pringlei
the giant cardon cactus of the Baja (up to 60 feet high - grows like wild forests)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4896603#4896603
cactouasca.
I heard this at sacred elixirs a couple of years ago.
http://plantconsciousness.com/media/a_new_elixir_pt1.mp3
(A New Elixir
Earl Crockett with Alexander T. Shulgin
Earl Crocket has not only discovered that the cactus Pachycereus pringlei has psychedelic properties, he has also discovered cave paintings which reveal its ancient use as a sacrament. His talk describing the discovery of this remarkable plant will be accompanied by slides of the cactus and of the cave paintings.)
Pachycereus pringlei. cardon.
The majestic cardon occurs in most of Baja and resembles the Saguaro in form but is much larger and has a thicker stem and more branches. It can grow to and above the height of 60 feet. Some are believed to be over 200 years old and weigh up to 10 tons. The beautiful flowers are white, fragrant, and bloom between May and June.
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FarFromHere
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Re: Cactouasca - Pachycereus pringlei [Re: redgreenvines]
#7979098 - 02/04/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but "the establishment of its human pharmacology requires that it be consumed by man."-Alexander Shulgin
He said it, not me!
We are NEVER going to know if any of these cacti have an psychoactive properties unless somebody ingests them!
We can do it safely, surely.
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Shulgin's experiment with P. pringlei is part of his most ambitious project yet - to classify the psychoactive compounds that occur naturally in cacti. Hundreds of plants have such properties, but many have never been tested, and Shulgin's search to identify the effects of each have drawn him to botany guides, anthropology books, and ancient religious texts. He plans to publish his results in 2004, and the anticipation is such that online sites catering to the psychonaut scene have begun to sell the plants he's working with.
Is this guy stil alive?!
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Edited by FarFromHere (02/04/08 06:36 PM)
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redgreenvines
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Re: Cactouasca - Pachycereus pringlei [Re: FarFromHere]
#7979161 - 02/04/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yep
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thedudenj
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Re: Cactouasca - Pachycereus pringlei [Re: redgreenvines]
#7979715 - 02/04/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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um we can chemically extract them to find out if they are safe and isolate chemicals and stuff. i personally look foward for some Lophophora that contain datura like stuff. Aya brews with cactus and datura are nice. when your a medicine man
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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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FarFromHere
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Re: Cactouasca - Pachycereus pringlei [Re: thedudenj]
#7979802 - 02/04/08 08:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha, ok dude!
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