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Ginseng1
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Nothing is physical...
#7931798 - 01/25/08 07:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nothing.
All that exists is made up of the formless substance that is energy.. it has no physical characteristic if you consider all as ONE. Its only physical characteristic is that it exists. You could say that its existance makes it physical because we can *feel* it. The only form energy takes on depends on how nature plucks the strings.
Consider the reciprocal that EVERYTHING is physical because energy is physical. An apple truly is physical, and equally, the force of gravity truly is physical (considering it holds has domain over mass). So, everything that exists, has some sort of physicality because it exists.
Cause & effect. Consider a thought. To cause a thought to exist in this universe, it requires the creative centre that is our brain to create it. The brain requires energy to create the thought, and the effect is that of the release of energy. Releasing an imagine into the mind... wich could lead to the twiddling of a thumb.
Take it a step further. Cause and effect.. perhaps a thought, not only causes our physical bodily movements and pictures in our minds, but what if they actualy have a physical effect on the energy around us, beyond our bodies. The energy that made the thought perhaps can push or transform the energy around it. I'm not saying that we can drive a car with only our minds, but perhaps it pushes, transforms or influences the super micro worlds charactersitics of energy. We couldn't see the effect, becasue the energy of a thought is made up of tiny fluctuations of energy, and the effect would have to respect this and could not affect something insanely bigger than it, like a car.
This is why, my friends, the spirit exists, and this is why I can read your thoughts.
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7931815 - 01/25/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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true
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Edited by EternalCowabunga (01/25/08 08:04 PM)
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7931893 - 01/25/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ginseng1 said: The brain requires energy to create the thought, and the effect is that of the release of energy.
Transference and redirection.... A complex network of networked networks pitching and switching.... Pure energy can take form.... See: Plasma (right?)....
However, I am not disputing your claim.... But, you already knew that, didn't you....?
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Ginseng1
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7931927 - 01/25/08 08:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed. It can take all kinds of forms. It is all an illusion though! This magic show is cool!
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7931947 - 01/25/08 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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A pleasent and amazing fiction it is, indeed....
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7931961 - 01/25/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you cannot read my thoughts. "We live together, we act on, and react to, one another; but always and in all circumstances we are by ourselves....... By its very nature every embodied spirit is doomed to suffer and enjoy in solitude..... We can pool information about experiences, but never the experiences themselves" - Aldous Huxley
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Ginseng1
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But, I am an extra-terrestrial you see!
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EternalCowabunga
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7932020 - 01/25/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me too
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7932035 - 01/25/08 08:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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but aren't we all extra-terrestrials in are own mental universe?
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Ginseng1
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If our mental universes were made of "terre", then yes!
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7932085 - 01/25/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i thought nothing was physical, so it doesn't matter.
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EternalCowabunga
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We already went over that
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7932265 - 01/25/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great. Let me shoot you with a gun. Since the gun is non-physical you will not be harmed.
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EternalCowabunga
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That's exactly what my brother said to me when I was in a state of bliss on a mushroom trip and he was standing at the end of my bed shooting plastic balls at my head from a toy gun. "Everything is nothing? What about this gun?"
and I literally did not make a single movement as the balls deflected off my face. I couldn't even feel them because my mind was so expanded that the physical contact could not even register with my awareness to the point where it mattered.
"Yep. Still nothing"
It would have been the same scenario if it was a real gun The self can not be harmed as it is not physical.
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hillbilly32
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Trippy. I mean, what are atoms made of? the very fine spherical representation we give atoms is made up of something right? Electrons? what holds the charge, a point in space right? So what dictates where that charge should be and how it should act? These are things that are just so beyond our contemplation that you could literally send yourself insane trying to work it out. Your right in that sense, everything is just energy and a continuous interaction and counter-action of forces. Think of it like shooting randomly 1000 ping pong balls into a 1 metre glass cube. The ping pong balls being the atoms are just a way of representing forces. So therefore, nothing actually ever touches anything else, we're just floating in this universe of forces and touch is just the force of certain atoms getting stronger the closer other atoms get to it.
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7933846 - 01/26/08 07:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
PhanTomCat said:
Transference and redirection.... A complex network of networked networks pitching and switching.... Pure energy can take form.... See: Plasma (right?)....
Energetic plasma was named after biological plasma because of it's lifelike properties.
It has a tendency to braid just like DNA, there's some interesting new theories in the movie Thunderbolts of the Gods:
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7934133 - 01/26/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is why, my friends, the spirit exists, and this is why I can read your thoughts.
I think you skipped a few portions of your premise, as this conclusion does not follow what you have stated.
Are you claiming that energy = spirit? That your particular vibrating energy field is somehow capable of translating the vibrating energy fields of other humans? Where is the bridge between what you have related and these assertions?
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7937623 - 01/26/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said: ....
Cause & effect. Consider a thought. To cause a thought to exist in this universe, it requires the creative centre that is our brain to create it. .....
Take it a step further. Cause and effect.. perhaps a thought, not only causes our physical bodily movements and pictures in our minds, but what if they actualy have a physical effect on the energy around us, beyond our bodies.
this may not mean that much to you but the brain does not create thought, it houses the events that include thought, more like a multimedia theater than a command central. speech and action are an extension of this conditioned activity.
but patterned energy is cetainly the norm in thinking or experiencing life with thoughts.
It does not necessarily follow from this that telepathy should occur. for that some additional resonance has to be established.
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Re: Nothing is physical... [Re: Ginseng1]
#7945034 - 01/28/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The physical is that which is 'confined' by something..
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