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What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms
#7846834 - 01/08/08 04:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just curious, & what kind of charges are we talking about???
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#7846946 - 01/08/08 06:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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in the us, such evidence that its more likely than not that you are guiilty of an offense.
very little is needed
as to what charges... manufacture, intent to distribute, drug paraphanalia, et cet
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: johnm214]
#7847920 - 01/08/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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luckily most cops don't know what shroom grows look like, so even if one does get in your house, they might not notice.
if you're caught, you're lookin' at about 10 years where i live.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: JT]
#7847974 - 01/08/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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it can work the other way too. ignorance on their part is not always bliss on yours. I would hate to have a 100% secure meth lab in my basement, while brewing up some kind of legal herb when a cop comes to the door & them not knowing wtf they are doing just wanting to arrest someone. we may have a system and laws designed to pretect you, but in the end you are fucked, always.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: tak]
#7848643 - 01/08/08 03:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had A cop in my room only seconds after throwing all my casings away and put all my growing equipment in the fc and putting on a solid lid. He looked right at and didn't say a word.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#7877728 - 01/14/08 10:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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luckily most cops don't know what shroom grows look like, so even if one does get in your house, they might not notice.
I'm not so sure about that. The cops did a knock and talk at my house once because of a "stray dog" in the neighborhood (a technique that they arrested a lot of my friends with that year). While talking to me they noticed a contaminated jar that I was about to clean out. They immediatley came in and arrested me taking the jar as evedince. I spent the weekend in jail and bonded out. Luckily they only took that jar and did not search the rest of my house because upstairs i had at least two dozen jars invtro pinning. Ny the time the jar they took made it to the lab the mold had taken over and there was no trace of any mycelium. Lucky me. The charges were dropped and i still had my first crop. By the way they were not there because of the shrooms they thought there was a meth lab there which still puzzles me to this day.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: No Agenda]
#7878708 - 01/14/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You violated several rules and happened to luck out.
Never talk to the police. Always ask who it is before you open the door. If they say they're the cops just tell them to go away. "Get the fuck out of here," will suffice.
Instead you put yourself in a situation where you would have been charged with a felony if the cops hadn't been so inept.
Only fools are busted by knock-and-talks, so I hope you learned your lesson and have ditched your friends.
It's even one of the 10 crack commandments... "If you ain't gettin' bagged stay the fuck from police."
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: fastfred]
#7878841 - 01/14/08 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never talk to the police. Always ask who it is before you open the door. If they say they're the cops just tell them to go away. "Get the fuck out of here," will suffice.
exactly
Don't talk to the police. Be rude, whatever. People never seem to get it. No this doesn't just apply to "formal" discussion where they have you in an interview room, this applies to every situation imaginable. Unless you are reporting a crime (and even then I'd be hesitiant) don't speak w/ the police.
When the police are at your door, ignore them. Curiosity won't kill you, but the police might throw you in jail. I guarentee they aren't there to give you a prize.
If they know your in there and demand you come out simply ask what they want. If the answer isn't something to do w/ your under arrest or they have some sort of warrant, ignore them. At most you may be required to open the door and give them some identification, though I'm not even sure if you could be compelled to do this. But when you leave your residence, close the door behind you.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: johnm214]
#7878896 - 01/14/08 03:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: I guarantee they aren't there to give you a prize.
If they know your in there and demand you come out simply ask what they want. If the answer isn't something to do w/ your under arrest or they have some sort of warrant, ignore them.
I suggest shortening it even more. The more you talk the worse off you will be in every situation. Ask who it is, if they say police, ask if they have a warrant, if they say no I would just say "Then get the fuck out of here then."
Cops are used to people being rude to them. That's because they are assholes and rude to people all day long. Self-respecting citizens have no time for their bullshit and will frequently tell them to fuck off.
There are plenty of people out there that hate cops, and with good reasons. Once you establish that you hate cops no further explanation is necessary. They won't even find things suspicious. They won't think that you won't open the door because you're hiding something. They'll think you won't open because you hate cops.
If you do get stuck explaining your attitude you can always say that a cop raped your sister or something of that sort.
My favorite line is "Police? We didn't order no po-lice!" Then just tell them "Fuck off piggies, we got no donuts in here."
This is unbelievably satisfying once you get over your fear of authority figures and work up the balls to say it. Without a warrant they simply have to turn around and walk away.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: fastfred]
#7879367 - 01/14/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, well you also have to watch out for them inventing charges, which is the other problem- why I'm generally curt but not outright rude
but then again if the door is closed its hard for them to make up things....
and I don't share your optimism on how many people don't play into the cops games of "we're just doing our job- we're here to help you, et cet"Quote:
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I know plenty of people who don't like the police, and most of them are too chickenshit to refuse searches or stand up for themsleves.
Then there's me, who doesn't ever carry anything illegal on my person, and I'm the one who always refuses the search...
check out this bullshit, suposedly from NPR
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"When an American exercises his constitutional right to refuse consent to search of a vehicle, that is a huge reasonable suspicion to a cop," says Cooper. "A hundred percent of the time when somebody refused consent, I always found something they didn't want me to see." If the police want inside your car, they will get inside your car, even if that means hanging out on the side of the road until a warrant or a dog arrives. Give consent, and they probably won't look very hard. After all, you've got nothing to hide.
I have encountered that shit too, where they always think you've got something... bullshit. And this guy's just lying, I refuse to belive that nobody else is like me and refuses searches.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: johnm214]
#7879496 - 01/14/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know i was lucky, very lucky. I like the idea of refusing searches if you got the time. I once told the cops they couldn't search my vehicle, when they asked why i told them that i didn't trust cops because they were all corupt. they ended up calling the k-9 out pulled my sick girlfriend out of the vehicle without her coat made us stand on the side of the road for 2 hours.When the dog got there they tapped on my door, it jumped up, and they said it had triggered even though I had been absolutely clean for at least six months. they ended up rippin my car to shreds and found nothing. It ruined my date and the girl never talked to me again.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: No Agenda]
#7880840 - 01/14/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I grow my shrooms, active and non in a cooler, I think I might somehow make a layer to put over it to look like its full of ice and coke
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: johnm214]
#7890283 - 01/16/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have been asked twice if they can search and both times i agreed knowing i wasnt carrying. I know i didnt have to, but i thought in both cases i would get out of the ticket and a lenghthy wait for the k9's. Both times i was pulled over on "suspisious behaivior" you know the kind: turning left, or pulling out onto a main road. Just your normal suspisious things.
Any way once the first time he seached my CLEAN car for over 90 minutes while i waited in the cold ( about 25 deg f ) I didnt get a ticket.
The second time the fat ass serched for about 30 minutes and gave me a ticket, then made me and my girl go back to her house to see her ID.
Im done consenting, if they ask you to consent they have ALREADY decided they want to give you a hard time THEY DONT FUCKING BLUFF. If they ask you and you say ok, they will search.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: rodfarva]
#7890311 - 01/16/08 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i've been given two warnings when i refused a search, so they don't always give you a ticket. More relevant is if your nice to the cops or not. If/When the cops cop an attitude, just stay firm.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: johnm214]
#7895822 - 01/18/08 01:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Somebody down the hall in my dorm was smoking pot and blowing it in their shower vent, which conveniently carries the smell right in front of my door. I had been asleep in my recliner when I was woken up by 3 cops knocking at my door. While standing in the doorway, I told them I would permit them to enter my room only under the condition that they stand in the open and smell that it doesnt smell like pot in my room (in hindsight I should not have let them in in the first place). They came in, agreed it did not smell like pot, or even any sort of air freshener. After that, then they asked to search my room, which really pissed me off because they had proof that I wasn't smoking, and that they were just turning this into a random drug check. I said no, and right away they began accusing me of having something to hide. When asked why I refused, I just stated that I'd rather not have people going through my belongings (I had 5 cakes fruiting in my closet at the moment). While the cop was standing there, I opened my fridge to grab a soda (being quite thirsty having just woken up from a nap), and as I was grabbing it I saw 5 cakes dunked in a gladware container that I had forgotten about. Thank god the cop didnt notice it. After that, and a few more accusations of having something to hide, they went out into the hall, I heard them mumbling angrily about "so there isn't anything we can do?" and they finally left. Of course, they head right for the elevator rather than searching for who actually was smoking. But the whole time, everything was yes sir no sir, never raised my voice or acted rude toward them.
Being respectful to the cops definately is a good idea. When you tell a cop to fuck himself, if he's having a bad day that could very well put him on a mission to fuck you over, and try to get a warrant. Even if you're absolutely sure they can't do anything, being respectful can't hurt.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: maglight]
#7896071 - 01/18/08 05:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Being respectful to the cops definately is a good idea.
I've said it many times... when the cops show up, the game is lost and all that is left is damage control. I've found, unfortunately through experience, that polite, respectful, yet firm is the best way to behave.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: Seuss]
#7896999 - 01/18/08 11:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So i got fucking pulled over again sence my last post. The cop was tailgaiting me in an unmarked car and i rolled through a stopsign. He was definatly fucking with me and forced me into doing somthing. He was about 1 foot from my bumper. I should have slammed on the breaks.
Any way he walked up and before saying anything tried to open my back door! What a fucker. Just walks up and starts trying to search. Then i get have you been drinking. i had so i told the truth about the one beer i had and got this fairy tail from him about how there is zero toerance for D&D so i replied " no acctually there is a tolerance of .08 BAC" and i asked him why he was trying to scare me. He went back to the car and came back with my ticket, insinuating that he would bust me on the warent for not paying it. I guess i look broke. Funny thing is i know for a fact i make between 30,000 $ and 40,000 $ more than any cop in this city that rides in a car harassing people at 1:30 am. Eat a dick!
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: rodfarva]
#7897047 - 01/18/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am always respectful to the cops cuz I learned my lesson after getting my truck ripped apart for nothing (being mouthy with a 8 page record) I like NH, the fuzz leave me alone. One Det that arrested me for heroin posession a few years back actually felt bad for me and after seeing me trying to get clean he asked that I get a suspended sentence instead. MA the DA's bring the Charges, in NH the DA is a PD Sgt. Anyway they know I smoke tons of bud and they still asked me to speak at the school to the kids about staying away from coke and heroin. I even told the kids to smoke pot instead and no one cared. They actually took my advice and told the kids they don't care about weed but will not tollerate hard stuff. Some kid had just gotten arrested blowing lines off his desk the week before...
It worked out good cuz I may get my right to own a firearm back, he is talking to the cheif cus it is at his discretion due to my record, but since there is no guns or violence they may actually give it back. NH has a cool law that you can pay to have you record erased if you stay out of trouble for a couple years. I am not sure if it is $150 to file or per charge though...if it is per charge I am looking at a $12k bill to clean it.
Shrooms aren't big around here. I think the best story of getting let go for being nice was when I got caught with a box of used needles and a whole bunch of empty H bags. They actually gave me the box back and told me to throw it out when I got home. Clean needles aren't illegal here but they could have been dicks for the residue. I got nailed a week later for a bundle I never knew was in my car. I had been sick for a couple days and it was there the whole time but I never knew cuz it was my dads. So anyway it looked like I was lying but that is why the Det felt bad cuz he knew I wouldn't have been dopesick if it was mine.
All the above advice is excellent. Cops are sneaky and should never be taken for granted that they are cool because they can fuck u when you least expect it. I keep em just close enough that I get a heads up if anything is coming my way...but since I cut out all the illegal shit and get scripts now, the shrooms and bud are the only lawbreaking I have done in a while.
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: rizingfire]
#7897068 - 01/18/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: What does a cop have to see to get a warrant for shrooms [Re: Seuss]
#7898233 - 01/18/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > Being respectful to the cops definitely is a good idea.
I've said it many times... when the cops show up, the game is lost and all that is left is damage control. I've found, unfortunately through experience, that polite, respectful, yet firm is the best way to behave.
YMMV and everyone has their own style. I've even seen people recommend that you piss off the cops until they blow their cool and fuck up their case against you because of it.
Anyhow, it's always good to be nice to the cops until they start being assholes to you, such as asking to search more than once.
When a cop is being an asshole and you remain polite it shows weakness and a willingness to be fucked over. This is the shit that gives asshole cops a huge erection. Don't do this. Treat asshole cops like you would any other asshole that you come across.
You can also be disrespectful by acting overly polite in a sarcastic way. You should always treat people with the respect that they deserve. To do otherwise is to appear weak, stupid, or ignorant of your rights. Cops can and will take advantage of you in these situations.
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