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BRF Cakes with Vermiculite Casing w/Pics
    #7837069 - 01/05/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Not trying to say this will be the new big thing, just proving that it can be done.

Okay So earlier this week I was birthing cakes and I filled my FC with a 1 pint cake to spare. So i decided to use a small aluminum pan to make a casing but I didn't have any jiffymix or peat moss. So I decided to use 80/20 Fine vermiculite/perlite....PCed it for 40 min at 15 psi placed a little bit in the bottom and broke up the cake placing 4-5 inch layer into the pan.Then covered it up with a quarter inch layer of the 80/20 on top.Placed it inside a gallon sized ziplock bag and poked some holes in it with a fork. Left in room temperature and 2 days later this is what I have.



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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7837178 - 01/05/08 08:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I hate to jump ahead of myself about this, but after all the talk by Captain about using vermiculite over the last few days I thought I'd show the progress.I will continue to update with pics throughout the week.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7837689 - 01/05/08 11:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Intersting little experiment.

But, perlite is best used for humidificaton, as it has a large surface area where any water that it is holding can evaporate into the air.

Vermiculite on the other hand is like a sponge, soaks up moisture and holds it releasing it when nessesary.

Vermiculite is the worst possible casing material you could use, it does its job well on cakes.

Cakes are generaly best left as cakes rolled in verm, unless spawning to a bulk substrate


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7837815 - 01/05/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Intersting little experiment.

But, perlite is best used for humidificaton, as it has a large surface area where any water that it is holding can evaporate into the air.

Vermiculite on the other hand is like a sponge, soaks up moisture and holds it releasing it when nessesary.

Vermiculite is the worst possible casing material you could use, it does its job well on cakes.

Cakes are generaly best left as cakes rolled in verm, unless spawning to a bulk substrate




I wouldn't say it's THAT bad.

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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7837839 - 01/05/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

why did you use 80/20 verm/brf iu was going to prove this in 12 days but hopefully yours turns out real good to prov that using it isnt that bad thanks for doing it anyways

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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: shroomials]
    #7838103 - 01/06/08 02:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i missed a few words out in the sentance,

ill rephrase

Cakes to pretty well left as cakes rolled in verm.

The benifits from crumbling and casing a cake is minimal if any (unless spawning to bulk)


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: shroomials]
    #7838131 - 01/06/08 02:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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why did you use 80/20 verm/brf iu was going to prove this in 12 days but hopefully yours turns out real good to prov that using it isnt that bad thanks for doing it anyways




You can't case with Verm/BRF. Casing mixes have to be non nutritional.

What you are trying to do is spawn cakes to more pf cake mix, but as that mix contains grains, if you try and mix them out in the open, instead of inside jars, it will contaminate.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Nibin]
    #7838355 - 01/06/08 07:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No I used only vermiculite for a "casing" which it is non nutritous. I only added perlite to add some air pockets since the verm. was super fine. I have understood the value of perlite and verm since the beginning. Theres only about 1000 post about it :P
I ran out of room in my FC thats the only reason I did this with my last cake.Besides I like being the one who goes against all odds and gets something to work.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7838402 - 01/06/08 07:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Verm + perlite for texture should work, I don't know how well compared to other casings, but work it should.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Nibin]
    #7847049 - 01/08/08 08:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Okay so a few days have gone by, I accidently bumped the tub with the casing in it when it was incubating and I had to wait a few extra days again. Never the less today I started to see signs of pinning.
This is just the first few pins and pin heads popping out, will take more pictures soon.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853329 - 01/09/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Im starting to disagree about casing crumbled cakes vs. leaving them as it. So far the casing vs. a cake put in the same day are very noticeable. First flush from cake 5 grams dry. First flush from casing is still maturing but there are almost exactly twice as many mushrooms growing.When the 1st flush is finished I will be only comparing dry weight, as that's all that matters to me. More Pics soon.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853370 - 01/09/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

you still have the tin pan in the ziplock bag? or is it in the FC with the cake. also are u misting the casing at all or doing anything elsewith it?


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7853378 - 01/09/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's in the FC now, has been for the last few days. I considered just leaving it in the baggie as a mini terrarium but decided against it. I have been misting it twice a day as of right now. It seems to have plenty of moisture so I haven't been overdoing it. I like to think for my first casing, with the worst possible casing material it's doing rather well. I didn't expect much from it at all.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853392 - 01/09/08 12:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i see. so basically u mixed your substrate put the layers in the tin ( how many cakes) then did u put it in the ziplock from there? and put it in the dark?


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7853439 - 01/09/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah threw 1 cake into a bag, stuck a sterilized fork into the baggie and crumpled up the cake.Places this evenly into the bottom of a small aluminum pan, put a layer of fine grade vermiculite with a little bit of perlite in it (now see it probably was not needed)on top. Placed in a gallon sized ziplock bag poked a few holes into it with the fork. Placed at room temp. in the dark for a few days until little patches of mycelium poke threw then placed into the FC and treated it like a cake basically. Really the only significant thing is more surface area for mushies to grow from thus more mushies growing. I more than likely will not keep doing this,however it was some good practice for first time casing.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853454 - 01/09/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I more than likely will not keep doing this,however it was some good practice for first time casing.




:] thank you very much. atleast u are someone that explained that to me and didn't tell me to search it. much appreciated!


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7853482 - 01/09/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well lol had I not been bored I woulda told you to go search. Everything I know as of now has been from this site and all the wonderful post. Trust me their right, these thing's have been discussed a million times.I only started this thread because of last week and all the talk about vermiculite casings.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853497 - 01/09/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yea i read them it almost made me change my mind and not use verm but since u posted this it changed my mind back to verm :laugh:


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: Supplier]
    #7853519 - 01/09/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well that's why I added that last bit about it not being the best. I haven't tried the other ones, but have seen other peoples results. Right now im colonizing some quart jars of Wild Bird Seed and will make a bigger casing with them (3 of them) One I will use a vermiculite casing the 2nd will be a 50/50 and the last will be a coir/vermiculite casing. Just to see for myself side by side which I like better.
Keep in mind all these have been tried, and by searching you should have come to the conclusion that they will all work.Some have had more constant results using other casing materials. I recommend that you try a few yourself and pick which one you like most. What materials are easier to get, cheaper that kinda thing.


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Re: BRF & Vermiculite Casing w/Pics [Re: DontPlay]
    #7853653 - 01/09/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thank you for the info once again. but one more quick question. u mixed your substrate put it in the tin then pced it. then u broke up your cake put it on top of that layer. then did u make another 50/50 of verm/perl and just toss it on or did u pc that? NEVER MIND NEVER MIND i got it now u don't gotta answer that! thank you.


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