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 soulcircus
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#7774622 - 12/18/07 05:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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origami.octopus
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 Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: soulcircus]
#7774791 - 12/18/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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who knows?
i read "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" (incase you dont know DMT is the chemical in Ayahuasca.
it mentioned a study done by a psychotherapist that had done thousands of LSD assisted therapy sessions, and he found that people borne vaginally, as opposed to C-sections had an easier time "letting go" and giving in to their experiences. These findings later tied into the DMT research, and how it is found in our bodies.
supposing that you were borne by C-section, this dose not mean thats why you have a difficult time letting go.
If you are interested in trying mushrooms, and feel that they have something to teach you, then i would recommend it. But given that you admit you have a problem letting go, i would say start with a low dose. Take your time, and work up to where you are comfortable.
Good luck.
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Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: soulcircus]
#7775058 - 12/18/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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at least you are taking lesser doses.
the help that these medicines can provide you at your current stage is to soften your resistance.
is to teach you about gentleness and releasing.
you may have stretched too far earlier in your life and need to go slowly.
you may have seen things that others have not experienced in the past which sets up a kind of stress that others do not have.
I think you should continue to go slowly with your quest.
you may find what you are looking for between two moments that you previously passed too quickly or previously expected had no space between.
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Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: soulcircus]
#7775152 - 12/18/07 07:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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soulcircus said:
If anyone is experience with the two i ahve a question.
Due to the problem i'v been having, with much psycholgical resistance, i tried ayahausca with a shaman in peru, however, it was one of the most hellish torturous experiences ever and was jsut far far to heavy to handle.
my question is, with teh psychological resistance i found with ayahuasca does this necissarly mean i will have exactly the same problem with mushrooms
or is it possible to make progress with "finding my inner self" an letting go of resistance with mushrooms before i move back to ayahuasca etc.
as the mushrooms have a more boundry dissolving quality and are not as heavy an experience possibly.
your thoughts?
i do know the ayahausca i drank was a particulary strong type but i only had a little,
however i could not see it working as it has a completely differnt action to all psychedelics i'v taken in the past, and i see how medicinal and healing it can be, but also how prepared you need to be for it.
im basically asking if mushrooms may be able to help with emotional issues that ayahausca was too powerful for em to let go into. so to speak.
Well there's a few things to consider.
First is the manner and context in which you are approaching the psychedelic experience. A difficulty tends to arise when the goal or objective or desire becomes too specific -- like seeking a personal psychological revelation or a preconceived (spiritual) epiphany. Without knowing more about your motivation, I can only point to the misadventure with the ayahuasca.
I've never had genuine ayahuasca, though I've smoked 5-Meo-DMT, and DMT many times -- as well as partaking in "pharmahuasca" which was 5-Meo-DMT ingested with Syrian Rue seeds as an MAOI, on 3 separate occasions. I remember with the latter quite literally reaching a point where I threw up... my soul; so I have a pretty good idea about how overwhelmingly intense that can be.
Psychedelic hallucinogens (as in mushrooms, cacti, LSD, and DMT) are the most unpredictable category of substances in the variety, diversity, nature, power, profundity, and subjectivity of their effects. Part of this lies in the difficulty of titrating (measuring) the dosage -- and this is where mushrooms possess arguably the greatest advantage. Psilocybin mushrooms are easy to issue (relatively) standardized dosages by simply advising a person who wants to begin conservatively to eat, say, 1 gram of cubensis. For 9/10 people* this will constitute a light dose; (*people who aren't on psychiatric meds, or are tremendously under or overweight).
So without rambling on forever, my answer is that mushrooms are a safer bet because it's easier to titrate the dosage. And probably the majority of people would agree that the psilocybin/mushroom experience is a bit mellower than the DMT/ayahuasca experience--(if for no other reason than you're not taking an MAOI). You can be confident in starting with a low dose of mushrooms, then slowly work your way up from there, (not forgetting that it takes about 1 week for tolerance to fully subside.)
IME hallucinogens are better at inspiring new questions and new perspectives than providing answers--which is by no means to say they can't; but it is a trip.
Edited by Land_Crab (12/19/07 05:46 PM)
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Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: Land_Crab]
#7775534 - 12/18/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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From my experiences unpleasent ones resulted from fear, usually of dying and having to give up my life including the most valued aspect of it friends and family. The most pleasent ones resulted from interest in and acceptance of whatever I was experiencing. I believe that letting go is impossible to do with any attachment to or fear of leaving your life. This fear is a result from us being conditioned to believe we are strictly our bodies which is not true and in my perfect world we would all be aware that we are more than this single individualization of self, much more. That it is okay to let go of our lives for a blink in eternity in order to leave and explore...ourselves? haha interesting is it not
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Edited by symbiotic (12/18/07 09:23 PM)
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Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: symbiotic]
#7776541 - 12/19/07 05:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I highly reccomend you go with homegrowns.
The wild ones are just wildly inconsistent. Most will tell you that is just the users mind not being able to handle which leads to bad trips.
I however believe that some of these wild ones have spirits, if you wil, of there own. From my own personal experience, this can go very bad even when your in a great setting.
Some of them just aren't as nice as the others. I came very close to getting myself killed on a high dose of wild ones not to long ago.
I've never had nothing short of mesmerizing good times on homegrowns.
Remember, it's genetics. Would you brether saddle up a wild mustang? Or buy a horse that has been loved and nurtured at the local farm around humans?
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Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: soulcircus]
#7776720 - 12/19/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I took ayahuasca and mushrooms at the same time once, and that was one of the greatest trips I've ever had. While I personally find ayahuasca incredibly healing, it does have this harsh, masculine feeling to it that other psychedelics don't. It really does have to be met with strength, otherwise you will be torn to shreds.
I don't think it's a very good choice for someone's first trip, although the first time I ever had a proper trip with visuals and seriously deep thoughts was with ayahuasca. LSD and mushrooms are, in general, far more benign and easy to handle, so there's no reason to think you'll have a bad experience with other substances just because you did with ayahuasca.
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Re: Ayahuasca to Mushrooms [Re: EllisDSox]
#7777559 - 12/19/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i had a similar problem with ayahausca it just seems very overwelming comes on fast and my first time i was completely alone and struggled for a while when i finally realised that this was the most powerfull drug i had come into contact with i felt defeated and gave in completely after that it was by far the most spiritaully and emotionally rewarding trips of my life. its a long shot but you may need a higher dose to sort of humble you kick your ass if you know what i mean.
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Dude, I had alot of psychological resistance as well and it would come up pretty intensly, especially with Marijuana. Mushrooms have been good to me but sometimes the resistance comes in huge waves.
I highly recommend that you work on honoring and accepting your resistance through EFT or Sedona method or any other valuable resource. Your trips will become much more clearer.
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