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waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize???
    #7754737 - 12/13/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

do i have to wait for the inside of my rye jars to colonize like you would have to for brf cakes?


or once the outsides are 100% colonized they are ready to go?


also im about to use them in a mono and was wondering if 8 colonized jars spawned to 1 brick of coir would be a good ratio? im not sure how much i brick of coir gives you. its an 18 gallon tub and i would like a sub depth of 4-5"

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7754805 - 12/13/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I believe you're supposed to shake the grain so the mycellium gets evenly distributed? But do the whole, wait 4-7 days after you think it's done, before scooping it out.


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: DigitalNomad]
    #7754817 - 12/13/07 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i dont shake the grain because i shake right when i inoculate. they are very evenly colonized.

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7754823 - 12/13/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

3-4 days to be on the safe side , 1 week can ben more then needed


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: whereismymind]
    #7755073 - 12/13/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this confuses me then. if i shook the grains at inoculation sholdnt the inside of the jar colonize as fast as the outside??

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7755119 - 12/13/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

b4b, you are supposed to shake your grain jars. The only ones that you do not shake are brf cakes. What have you been reading for the past 8 months and 1,000 post to not know the difference.
Are you stateside??


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: tahoe]
    #7755180 - 12/13/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)








you honestly think that these look like they need to be shaken???

they were inoculated on the 7th and then immediently shaken after inoculation. shaking these now now i think would be pointless. isnt the point of shaking to evenly distribute mycelium throughout the jar? the mycelium in my jars look pretty evenly distributed to me.

and i know you dont shake brf jars so please dont act like i dont know the difference.

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7755217 - 12/13/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

IN the first and the third picture the one on the very right and the one behind it is not %100 and you can still wait 3-4 days before using others .

yes it is evenly distributing the mycelium but even if you shake after inocculation (which some old hand shroomery members find unnecessary since the spores are trying to find a mate to start the process or something like that , they think that it may even slow colonization at the start . ) but even after that a shake after %20 to %30 will usually end up with %100 colonization within 3 to 4 days .


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7755241 - 12/13/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its to distribute and also decrease colonization time by limiting the distance the mycelium has to travel to colonize the substrate.
The 2 jars on the left look okay but the two on the right are in no way ready to be opened. I would give them all a good shaking and they will be ready in a week with no worries



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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7755276 - 12/13/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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blood4blood said:
do i have to wait for the inside of my rye jars to colonize like you would have to for brf cakes?




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blood4blood said:
and i know you dont shake brf jars so please dont act like i dont know the difference.




If you read what you said you would realize that i wasnt the one who was acting like I didnt know the difference.
To answer your question, yes! You have to wait until the insides of the rye jars are colonized to use them. This is one reason why we shake.
AS for pf cakes, we wait until the outsides are colonized. Sometimes the insides of the cakes do not colonize until the first flush starts and the inner moisture is used up.

Just trying to help junior!


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: tahoe]
    #7755322 - 12/13/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i know your trying to help man and i do appreciate it. but i was just figuring that since i shook after i innoc'd that the inside would be as colonized as the outside's are giving a good indication that they are ready to be spawned to.

i realize the ones that you can still see grain in are not ready.

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: blood4blood]
    #7755519 - 12/13/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just wait, dude. Tahoe is right when he says that those other two jars need time. Besides, uncolonized rye is a contam risk.


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: thedefone]
    #7755600 - 12/13/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol i love the way these forums work it doesn't matter if you are trying to read everything that you can before troubling someone or if you have been reading for the last 3 years ... if you don't have enough post numbers your idea doesn't count in =) makes me wanna post lots o unnecessary posts =)


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: whereismymind]
    #7755754 - 12/13/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Did you say something whereismymind? O.o

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7755816 - 12/13/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that's what i was talkin bout :grin:


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: whereismymind]
    #7756982 - 12/14/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my posts > whereismyminds's :laugh:


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: tahoe]
    #7757469 - 12/14/07 08:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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its to distribute and also increase colonization time by limiting the distance the mycelium has to travel to colonize the substrate.
The 2 jars on the left look okay but the two on the right are in no way ready to be opened. I would give them all a good shaking and they will be ready in a week with no worries






I imagine you mean decrease colonization time, Tahoe?


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: Nibin]
    #7757595 - 12/14/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

gotcha


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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: tahoe]
    #7785698 - 12/21/07 01:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've been shaking my Rye Grain jars every 3-5 days. One reason I do is because I've read it speeds everything up for sure. The more evenly distributed, the more it has a chance to meet with other mycelium and grow. Another reason to do it, is in case you were not successful at getting the starch off of the grain when simmering, or so that the mycelium doesn't make the rye grain bulk together. You want it to be fully covered so when you spread it out over the larger substrate it spawns even faster, bettering your chances of avoiding contam at that vulnerable stage.

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Re: waiting for inside of rye jars to colonize??? [Re: ShaTipote37]
    #7787992 - 12/22/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Actually if you shake it too much you're just harming the mycelium and shocking it every three to five days and putting it back farther resulting in longer colonization times. The rules usually go: Inoculate with LC shake right away, inoculate with spores leave it. Then shake at 75%. Then shake as needed to break up and spawn/case.

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