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 BrAiN
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 Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic 
#7702150 - 12/01/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chavez threatens to cut off oil to the U.S. if they interfere with an attempt by Chavez to change the constitution to make him ruler for life.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314466,00.html
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"Anyone who votes 'No' is voting for George W. Bush," he said. "Our real enemy is called the U.S. empire, and on Sunday, Dec. 2, we're going to give another knockout to Bush, so no one forgets that is the battlefield."
So according to Chavez.. if any Venezuelan doesn't like Chavez.. it's OUR fault... because there's no possible way a SINGLE Venezuelan could dislike Chavez on his/her own.... riiiiIiIIight.
Chavez is learning from Bush's tactics where if you're against the war then you MUST be FOR the terrorists.
The acticle goes on to say
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University students have led protests and occasionally clashed with police and Chavista groups. One man was shot dead Monday while trying to get through a road blocked by protesters.
Chavez is pure scum.
I personally think he's the next Hitler.
Mark my words, we're going to keep letting him throw a tantrum and he's going to start fudging votes and silencing his opposition one way or another, which he's already done by pulling broadcasting licenses for TV stations that don't support him. Next thing he's going to just start kidnapping, jailing, and even killing people who oppose him. He's already passed laws saying that people cannot disrespect him (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5755-2005Mar27.html) which gives him full right to arrest anyone who calls him a DEVIL but he's got no problem coming to American and calling OUR president a DEVIL in OUR country.
Then one day when his head gets huge enough (which, if you know what he looks like, couldn't physically BE any larger) he's going to start trying to take over all the othe South American countries either through shrewd tactics or by force.
Edited by BrAiN (12/01/07 09:33 AM)
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7702167 - 12/01/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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WOW what a deuche. My cousin lives there and ever since this corrupt cock sucker trying to cover up his corruption with shitty extremist views came into the picture the country has gone to shit. I hope the CIA kills his ass, oh yeh forgot there fucken pussies, and the only way to do something without making the US look bad is to start a straight war with that fucker. MAN I get so pissed when I hear his name. should of took over venezula instead of the desert land.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Rylmonkey]
#7702175 - 12/01/07 09:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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venezula is so corrupt that the cartel guerillas and the FARC can probably pound the venzuelan army to the ground. why the fuck does the world have to wait until the US makes the first move. can't chile go in and shoot the corruption down, oh yeh I forgot wars aren't for the greater good of mankind, just for the profit of the few.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Rylmonkey]
#7702525 - 12/01/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the whole "with us, or against us" theme sounds eerily similar to what I have heard bush speak about the terrorists. not saying that it's a fair comparison, but it's still kind of eerie.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7702743 - 12/01/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7702753 - 12/01/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What are the reasons for his popularity among the masses? Maybe it has something to do with a man who, in 1992 as a high-ranking military officer, risked his life & his freedom to lead a revolt against a hated government? Maybe it has something to do with policies which have decreased the poverty rates & extreme poverty rates, & the increase of primary care physicians from just over 1600 in the entire country to almost 20,000 today since being elected in 1998. Maybe it has something to do with rapid expansion of healthcare services to people who've never had health care before. Maybe it has something to do with using the nation's wealth to build housing projects for the homeless & those living in shacks instead of going into the bank accounts of the oligarchy as long was the case & still is the case in many other parts of Latin American. Maybe it has something to do with infant mortality having decreased by about 20%, or the increase in literacy rates.
Maybe it has something to do with skyrocketing oil prices.
All that extra oil revenue would make almost anyone look like a genius.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: zorbman]
#7702798 - 12/01/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7702981 - 12/01/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Brief overview of Venezuelan politics...
wealthier, light-skinned people there generally hate him;
poorer, darker-skinned people generally support him.
what the fuck.......
Chavez is Castro with oil.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: lonestar2004]
#7703046 - 12/01/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7703294 - 12/01/07 04:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Brief overview of Venezuelan politics...
wealthier, light-skinned people there generally hate him;
poorer, darker-skinned people generally support him."
I found out that Hugo Chavez hates DA Jews......
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000625.html
calls them christ killers...
Why are Communist always Anti-Semitic 
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7703327 - 12/01/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chavez is pure scum.
I personally think he's the next Hitler.
He wishes he could be that important. I'd like to see him try and invade one of his neighbors.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: Silversoul]
#7703345 - 12/01/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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no shit.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: lonestar2004]
#7703355 - 12/01/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by EntheogenicPeace (01/30/21 08:03 PM)
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7703420 - 12/01/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Name three Jewish people who fought against Simón Bolívar.
Hugo Chavez ain't no Simon Bolivar.
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Silversoul said:
He wishes he could be that important.
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: lonestar2004]
#7703496 - 12/01/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BrAiN
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 Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7703499 - 12/01/07 04:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
But as superior, enlightened Americans, we know the above to be lies. When a foreign reporter goes to a neighborhood on the outskirts of Caracas & asks a random person why they support Hugo Chávez & they say, "He's the first leader we've ever had who cares about the lower classes," we know what they're really saying is, "I hate freedom & support al-Qaeda."
Go to Los Angles or any other major city with lots of Latin immigrants. Ask any Venezuelan there what they think of Chavez. They'll give you the profile of a total facist which is part of the reason they came to the states.
Ask these same people what class of people they belonged to back in Venezuela and they'll be plenty that will be from the poorer side.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7703517 - 12/01/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: BrAiN]
#7703520 - 12/01/07 05:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"The world has enough for all. But it turned out that some minorities, descendants of those who crucified Christ, descendants of those who threw Bolivar out of here and also crucified him in their own way in Santa Marta, there in Colombia, a minority took the world's riches for themselves." Hugo Chavez
WTF
call me paranoid (half jewish) Jews living in Venezuela need to run again!
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7703541 - 12/01/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
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What the fuck...
My summery was indeed correct. I know the values of the majority of people in Venezuela may seem alien to you... after all, who the fuck cares more about distribution of a society's resources than whether or not the Patriots are gonna 16-0 or what crazy thing(s) Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton did over the weekend, right? But whether or not most white people in America hate Chávez, he is viewed favorably by a majority in Venezuela (& most other parts of Latin America). It's ironic that Amerikans claim to fighting "for democracy" in Iraq; people elsewhere in the world know better. What Amerikans really mean by "democracy" is a climate favorable to their political/economic interests, not the will of a majority of the people in a given area... as the majority in Latin America know better than anyone.
Oh God. The only way you can argue your point is by using the "what do we white people know, we only care about Brittney Speaer" tactic.
What does that have anything to do with this?
I'm just as critical of the way the U.S. tried to influence other countries in the past (especially Chile and Argentina), but in South America these days I doubt we give as much of a crap about rising communists.
Hell Brazil JUST this year found out they were sitting 'goldmines' of crude oil... We've got plenty of other people we can get it from.
And there are plenty of poor Venezuelans that hate Chavez because he represents almost exactly the same thing Bush is here.. someone who fudges the elections to try to cheat his way into power and make sure anything possible is done to silence and humiliate anyone who thinks differently?
Why is it ok to bitch about the republican party in the states that tries to fuck the poor, yet it's a big deal to try to talk smack about someone who bitches about Chavez who does the same thing, just to a different set of people He doesn't give a shit about the poor anyways, he just does whatever appeals to the largest demographic to stay in power. He's smart. That's what smart, power hungry people do.
What's wrong with people here in America, regardless of whether or not they listen to Britney Spears or whatever, getting pissed at a country that treats it's citizen like subjects to a Royal government rather than like people? Is it any wonder there are so many organizations that deal with human rights as well as a flood of emmigrants that will tell you about how horrible their government is?
I'm against the U.S. getting involved. They don't post any threat to us for now, but I can definately see Chavez pushing the limts of what's ethical as just a human being and trying to carry that policy on to his neighbors.
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Re: Chavez tries a "with us or against us" tactic [Re: lonestar2004]
#7703548 - 12/01/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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