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KidKelko
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bulk substrate questions...
#7559728 - 10/25/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i have a couple of questions about using bulk substrates, any help would be appreciated.
first, would crumbling a BRF Cake (PF TEK) on straw based bulk substrate work? or do you need to use rye berries?
second, my friend has a friend with chickens and inside the coop, he uses pine shavings, and straw for a bedding. After a few months it's ripe with chicken shit. He normally uses it for his compost and says it works extremely well at making compost. would this work as a substrate if pastuerized and and cased either with rye or BRF cakes? (depending on the answer to the first question).
thanks.
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: KidKelko]
#7560055 - 10/25/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, it will work. Be sure to use a decent ratio of spawn to substrate like 1:5 or less ( I use 1:3)
As far as chicken manure, it is my opinion that it's a horrible thing to use.
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: Fraggin]
#7560108 - 10/25/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can use chicken manure at 5% or less of the total bulk substrate, but no more. Straw is good, pine chips are not good. RR
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7560119 - 10/25/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: You can use chicken manure at 5% or less of the total bulk substrate, but no more. Straw is good, pine chips are not good. RR
yeah i think on that mushroom show on discovery they said the major farms use 3% chicken manure, it may have been 5%, but in my experience 3% provides plenty of (N).
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: jeetered]
#7560243 - 10/25/07 06:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nothing like homegrown shit! What does he feed the chickens? I would recommend cow manure. But good luck!
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Fraggin
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: MushroomGeeks]
#7563570 - 10/26/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chicken manure contains disease causing micro-organisms, trace metals, and sometimes aresenic.
Roxarsone, the most common arsenic-based additive used in chicken feed, is used to promote growth, kill parasites and improve pigmentation of chicken meat. In its original form, roxarsone is relatively benign. But under certain anaerobic conditions, within live chickens and on farm land, the compound is converted into more toxic forms of inorganic arsenic.
Chicken manure is high in nitrogen, and is even fed to cattle as a feed suppliment and is used as fertilizer.
Use at your own risk. And if you do, compost it first at least. Chicken shit is the nastiest shit of all.
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: Fraggin]
#7563576 - 10/26/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fraggin said: Chicken manure contains disease causing micro-organisms, trace metals, and sometimes aresenic.
Roxarsone, the most common arsenic-based additive used in chicken feed, is used to promote growth, kill parasites and improve pigmentation of chicken meat. In its original form, roxarsone is relatively benign. But under certain anaerobic conditions, within live chickens and on farm land, the compound is converted into more toxic forms of inorganic arsenic.
Chicken manure is high in nitrogen, and is even fed to cattle as a feed suppliment and is used as fertilizer.
Use at your own risk. And if you do, compost it first at least. Chicken shit is the nastiest shit of all.
wtF?
lollers at that.
every shroom farm uses chicken shit.
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monstermitch
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: jeetered]
#7563611 - 10/26/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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jeetered said: wtF?
lollers at that.
every shroom farm uses chicken shit.
no. not every shrom farm uses chicken manure. and the ones that do use it, compost it first. I highly doubt any of them use it just as is. I would never use chicken manure unless it was composted first.
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: jeetered]
#7563624 - 10/26/07 02:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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jeetered said:
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Fraggin said: Chicken manure contains disease causing micro-organisms, trace metals, and sometimes aresenic.
Roxarsone, the most common arsenic-based additive used in chicken feed, is used to promote growth, kill parasites and improve pigmentation of chicken meat. In its original form, roxarsone is relatively benign. But under certain anaerobic conditions, within live chickens and on farm land, the compound is converted into more toxic forms of inorganic arsenic.
Chicken manure is high in nitrogen, and is even fed to cattle as a feed suppliment and is used as fertilizer.
Use at your own risk. And if you do, compost it first at least. Chicken shit is the nastiest shit of all.
wtF?
lollers at that.
every shroom farm uses chicken shit.
Correction. Most mushroom farms utilize compost that contains some poultry manure.
The compost in which mushrooms grow commercially is usuall three basic components. Straws, poultry manure and gypsum.
The mushroom industry utilizes poultry manure in compost production because of its uniquely high nitrogen value, which helps mushrooms grow, as well as a dry consistency which enables it to mix well with the other raw material used in the substrate for mushroom production.
The compost goes through two stages of production. One stage requires ammonia to hasten breakdown of the organic matter. At the second stage, the ammonia must disappear spores will not take off.
Typically, getting rid of the ammonia in the second stage involves a strategy which incorporates the ammonia within the compost. This is pasteurized at 60 o C and conditioned, at a 45-50 oC climate for about 72 hours. This converts ammonia into micro-protein which is used for nutrition by the mushroom and also kills off harmful microbes. By the time the compost is used for growing, it's just that. compost.
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Re: bulk substrate questions... [Re: Fraggin]
#7563695 - 10/26/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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of course it would be composted first. im thinking that's pretty much a given, ...
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