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OfflineHankHill
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Contamination in fruiting chamber
    #7509192 - 10/11/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

after harvesting fine mushrooms from 2 cakes ( the rest had not fruited yet)

i took note that one of the cakes had developed green mold despite being perfectly fine when birthed

i took the cake and boiled it and put it down the garbage disposal

will this pose a problem to the other cakes that are in the chamber?

yesterday i harvested off of one cake that i had in a makeshift separate chamber all by itself, and all was fine

today however i look at the cake and i see a blue

is it possible that this is part of mushroom itself that bruised, that still is attached to the cake, or is it the beginning of mold?

i sterilized my hands with alcohol, let that evaporate, then tore that small hunk of mold off

i have already eaten all my mushrooms and am very healthy, it has been 2 days since the first batch was eaten and last night was the last one

what does mold on cakes pose to mushrooms that are grown

will the mushrooms themselves show visible defects and molds growing on them?

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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: HankHill]
    #7509239 - 10/11/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Blue is bruised, green is mold. If the cakes were not touching, they should be fine, except for the green spores, which really shouldn't have too much opportunity to contam you other cakes.

Remove green ASAP, no need to boil, just toss it out.


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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: HankHill]
    #7509243 - 10/11/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

why did you boil the cake before throwing it out?


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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: HankHill]
    #7509248 - 10/11/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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will this pose a problem to the other cakes that are in the chamber?



Yes. Seeing how you saw green, the mold had already sporulated.
It's now a problem period, not just in your fruiting chamber.
Millions of spores have released themselves to the air in your home.
Your chamber is full of them and your house is full of them.
They attach to you, your clothes, the carpet, drapes, etc..
They'll float around for a good long time.

The cakes are fully colonized, and protect themselves to an
extent. You'll need to keep your FAE as high as possible to help
protect them from infection.

I would take out the cakes, rinse them under the faucet, clean
the hell out of the chamber and put it back together, and do some
serious surface cleaning around the house with liquid lysol.

Quote:

is it possible that this is part of mushroom itself that bruised, that still is attached to the cake, or is it the beginning of mold?




chances are the blue is not mold, it's bruising from the cake drying out.
take a q-tip and wet the tip slightly with filtered water.
rub it on the blue spot.
if color transfers to the q-tip, it's mold. If no color transfers, it's bruising.

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i sterilized my hands with alcohol, let that evaporate, then tore that small hunk of mold off




bad move.
first off, alcohol does NOT sterilize, it sanitizes.
and no alcohol on this planet will clean your fingernails, gloves
are an absolute must.
and more so, you only ruined your cake, you didn't accomplish
anything productive at all.

Quote:

what does mold on cakes pose to mushrooms that are grown
will the mushrooms themselves show visible defects and molds growing on them?




The mold doesn't hurt or infect the mushrooms, it infects all of
your future cakes you'll try to grow. The spores are what you need
to be worried about, not the mold. You can eat most molds and
be completely safe. Ever eat cheese?
The mushrooms are safe and fine to eat, they do NOT suck the
mold up into themselves. But those spores that were released
will infect future cakes and grows before mushrooms have a chance
to grow... that's where the danger really lies.


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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: monstermitch]
    #7509285 - 10/11/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Every grower has had, or continues to have green mold issues.

Green mold spores are ubiquitous, and cannot be removed 100%, it's impossible.

Assume you entire house is contamed, cause they all are, no matter how well you clean.

There is NO cleaning spores from your house, period! Maybe if you soaked everything in Sporicidin, and never opened a door or window.

Unless you live in a hyperbolic chamber!

Fresh air is chock full of spores, so you can clean all you want, but as soon as you open a window, door, or otherwise go outside, your house will again be contamed.

Most experienced growers know this, and adjust accordingly.

But don't let members tell you to sterilize your house, you can't!

All you can do is clean as well as you can to minimize contams, but you will NEVER clean your house of bad spores.

Sterile conditions are not important after birth, cause they are impossible to attain anyway.

The ONLY need for sterility comes when you inoculate, and later store your jars.

If your jars colonize 100% without contams, you are golden.

Also, virtually every cake will mold eventually, since most growers keep them around exactly until they do.


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Edited by Captain Cubensis (10/11/07 03:17 PM)

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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: monstermitch]
    #7509301 - 10/11/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

double post.

Edited by HankHill (10/11/07 03:22 PM)

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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7509311 - 10/11/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:


If your jars colonize 100% without contams, you are golden.

Also, virtually every cake will mold eventually, since most growers keep them around exactly until they do.



wonderful

so why did this one decide to mold before it even fruited?

also i have been able to make succesful LC with the b+ syringes i have yet never ever with golden teacher, i am wondering if one my syringes is bad

is a bad syringe possible, or common? the only contams i've ever had aside from suspicious mr moldy cake were from trying to do golden teacher LC

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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: HankHill]
    #7509324 - 10/11/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You can pour H2O2 into your perlite to help keep contams at bay.

Don't freak out man, that last member mislead you, one green cake will NOT ruin you future chances of success.

You should see the pans of green mold my foaf has removed from his FC, only to grow perfectly un-0contamed pans in the same FC with minimal cleaning.

Relax, let the cakes run their course before you do all that work.

Also, to clean and rinse every cake is to INCREASE the chances of contamination.

Where would you rise them off anyway? The bathroom? The kitchen?

Hot spots of contams to say the least.


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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7509329 - 10/11/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, sometimes syringes are contamed, of course this happens.

That one cake may have had green mold on the inside the whole time, and only now is it sporalating and making itself known.

Like I said, virtually every cake will mold eventually.

Practice sterile inoculation teks, and keep you FC room as clean as you can.

That's about all you can do.


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Edited by Captain Cubensis (10/11/07 04:45 PM)

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You moron... [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7509356 - 10/11/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
You can pour H2O2 into your perlite to help keep contams at bay.

Don't freak out man, that last member mislead you, one green cake will NOT ruin you future chances of success.

You should see the pans of green mold my foaf has removed from his FC, only to grow perfectly un-0contamed pans in the same FC with minimal cleaning.

Relax, let the cakes run their course before you do all that work.

Also, to clean and rinse every cake is to INCREASE the chances of contamination.

Where would you rise them off anyway? The bathroom? The kitchen?

Hot spots of contams to say the least.




I did not mislead him.
Listen little boy... you're advice sucks and everyone knows it.
I'm not going to tolerate you putting words in my mouth and saying
I give out poor advice.  You are not correct and could use some humility.

I never said to sterilize the house, I said to rinse the cakes, clean
the chamber out, and do some surface sanitation with liquid lysol.
Which, in fact, will leave a film on the surfaces killing all mold spores
that land there for at least 24 hours, dramatically reducing the
spore load in the home.

Do you have any idea how peroxide even works?
Do you know why peroxide comes in a brown bottle?
Any idea what light does to peroxide??

And as for rinsing, you are rinsing the mold spores off of the surface,
dramatically reducing the chance for contams.

Go back to kindergarten and learn something before you challenge
seasoned folks like myself. 
:rolleyes:

god you piss me off.


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Re: You moron... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7509411 - 10/11/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Read what RogerRabbit has to say about cleanliness after birth, he agrees with me 100%!

Good company to be in!

You have trichoderma and cobweb mold going. NEVER try to cut mold out. It only spreads the spores around your house and all over you and your clothes, contaminating everything.

Bleach doesn't kill mold. You can dip trichoderma in ten percent bleach and it won't kill it. For that matter, you can dip trichoderma in pure bleach and it won't kill it. Bleach kills bacteria and mold spores, but not live mycelium.

Sterilizing a fruiting chamber is not necessary. I don't even use soap anymore. I just rinse out with water and put back to use. You prevent molds by having proper FAE, which you won't get with an aquarium pump. You need to drill holes all over your fc and also fan a few times daily. The more air you give, the less chance of contamination.

3% peroxide will kill cobweb mold on contact. However, with trich growing which you can't kill, you need to get that FC cleaned out asap. Toss the contents or put them outside if it's warm enough. They will usually recover and fruit outdoors.
RR

Bacteria is an issue with colonizing jars, not fruiting chambers. A bit of bacteria in the FC is actually good.

It should be assumed that mold spores are going to be getting into the fruiting chamber, so the key is to make sure there is enough air exchange to prevent their growth. Molds grow in stale, still air, so the more you can do to keep fresh air flowing while still keeping the humidity high, the better. Air exchange is the key to preventing contaminants in a fruiting chamber, not sterility.
RR

Fruiting chambers are not, and do not need to be, sterile. Fan away. Air exchange is the key to avoiding contaminants in a fruiting environment, not sterility.
RR

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Re: You moron... [Re: monstermitch]
    #7509419 - 10/11/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

monstermitch

will chlorox disinfectant wipes work for cleaning off the surfaces of the fruiting chamber?

they have a lot of very odd chemicals in them including chlorine

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Re: You moron... [Re: HankHill]
    #7509439 - 10/11/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Dont listen to him, listen to Roger.

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Re: You moron... [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7509445 - 10/11/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

where does Roger state that?

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Re: Contamination in fruiting chamber [Re: monstermitch]
    #7509464 - 10/11/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

my name is jason and im a newbie i want to grow mushrooms i have no pressure cooker i was thinking of ordering presterilized jars from a company inoculate them
then place them in my fruiting chamber
a rubbermaid with 2 inches or moist perilite
6 hrs light a day
air it out 2 times a day
is this plan gonna work
also which spores would be best for this

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Re: You moron... [Re: HankHill]
    #7509467 - 10/11/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I just quoted him above three time.

Search the posts for RogerRabbit and FC cleanliness, or FC sterility etc...

You can search only his posts by putting his name in the username spot.


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Re: You moron... [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7509489 - 10/11/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

indeed i have found his posts on this subject

the FAE was super good because i was gone for 3 days without fanning it, though this is when my mushrooms matured

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Re: You moron... [Re: HankHill]
    #7509492 - 10/11/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, listen to Roger, he is a pro, nobody doubts him.

I have been rated extremely poor for doing nothing but advocating his methods.

People always think they are right, no matter what.

Roger follows what they do in commercial operations, he also supplies many farms with spores.

His depth of knowledge is endless.

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You are wrong again. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7509501 - 10/11/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Captain Cubensis said:
Dont listen to him, listen to Roger.




You are beyond reason, and wrong again there buddy.

Roger agrees with me for the record, not you.

He rinses his cakes off every time to rinse the spores off of them.

Again, you're putting words in my mouth.
I NEVER said to sterilize a fruiting chamber, I know as well as anyone
that air and fruiting chambers are not sterile, they'll never be,
and never should be.
I'm fully aware of the need and importance of FAE over sterilization
in the fruiting stage, I'm quite aware of how things work.

Quote:

HankHill said:
monstermitch

will chlorox disinfectant wipes work for cleaning off the surfaces of the fruiting chamber?

they have a lot of very odd chemicals in them including chlorine




You only need to use soap and water to clean the FC, nothing fancy.
The liquid lysol is for the home, just to help keep ambient spore
loads in the home as low as possible.
Mold will always be in your home and in your air, the key is to
keep the spore load low and to do what you can to keep the
FAE high. Turbulent air is key as well, dead air pockets are as
bad as no moving air.

Having a clean fruiting chamber is always best. If you think past
mold outbreaks do not infect future grows, you're simply wrong.

And why don't you pm RogerRabbit and get him in here to comment
if you feel so confident that I'm handing out poor information?


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Re: You are wrong again. [Re: monstermitch]
    #7509522 - 10/11/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Okay, what exactly was I wrong about? And when did I ever quote you or even mention your name?

All I told him was stuff I learned from Roger, which piece of advice did I give, that was wrong?

And why do you care, grow up man.

Are you unable to ignore things that bother you?

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