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 Psy Baba
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 Mentally retarded folk. 
#7456835 - 09/26/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Usually I just to my best not to stare or giggle.
But today, This lady came in hauling around a retard. The main reason I even noticed is because this person was making THE most horrible sound, like someone dying with a large gash through their throat. Kind of like the intense moan of a Goul or zombie from a sci-fi movie. It made my stomache churn a little.
Looking up trying to locate the sound I found a woman probably in her late 30's frothing at the mouth, spit bubbles all over. Eyes both almost closed but def crossed. Hands clenched like she was going through some intense pain.
And to top it all off, she was being pulled around by a leach attached to her waist like an animal.
I felt really sorry for her, but at the same time thought why we would even keep something like that alive?
On a usual basis I care for all life, human, plants and animals. But this was pushing the line.
What is the point in spending recourses on something so useless?
PS:I apologize for my crudeness if anyone finds this to be insensitive, Please if you feel differently explain to me where you are coming from on this subject and I will listen with open ears.
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Edited by Psy Baba (09/26/07 06:17 PM)
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 Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456844 - 09/26/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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*Retarded.
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Gratos
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Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456852 - 09/26/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont necessarily disagree but then again if someones family wants to keep a member of that family alive who am I to tell them no? I dont like being around retarded people either but I dont have the right to not be offended I guess? Maybe offended isnt the right word.
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Psy Baba
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Quote:
Phumfeinz said:
*Retarded.
Irooony  . Sorry been a long day.
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Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456886 - 09/26/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I pay good money to drool all over myself like that
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Psy Baba
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Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: vaportrail]
#7456903 - 09/26/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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vaportrail said:
I pay good money to drool all over myself like that
Hows that working out for you?
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456904 - 09/26/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know I sure as hell wouldn't want to live like that. If I was to become like that I'd rather someone just kill me.
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Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456906 - 09/26/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think it really comes down to happiness and if their live is worth living like that. if shes happy that way then i think its fine. but if shes not and shes miserable because of the life she must live then maybe shed be better off dead.
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456917 - 09/26/07 06:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't mind being around them at all. I actually really enjoy talking with & helping autistic/mentally retarded people. Its crazy how much they really do have to say. Reminds me of talking with a young child. Anyway.. yeah, same cases are really fucked up but for the most part, I don't see a problem with them living.
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Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: Locus]
#7456940 - 09/26/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Locus said:
i think it really comes down to happiness and if their live is worth living like that. if shes happy that way then i think its fine. but if shes not and shes miserable because of the life she must live then maybe shed be better off dead.
What if they cannot even form a word to tell you how they are doing? all she could do was froth from the mouth and make a death rattle/moan sound.
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: RipVanWinkle]
#7456942 - 09/26/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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A good friend of mine recently became "retarded" after a drug overdose and while her family insists on keeping her alive, I feel it would be for the better if she was let go.
they aren't conscious really, they are a burden, and their organs can be used to benefit others.
*I do not say any of this coldly, I'm a very compassionate person.
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Re: Mentally retarted folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7456971 - 09/26/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
DuNeRaVeR said:
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Locus said:
i think it really comes down to happiness and if their live is worth living like that. if shes happy that way then i think its fine. but if shes not and shes miserable because of the life she must live then maybe shed be better off dead.
What if they cannot even form a word to tell you how they are doing? all she could do was froth from the mouth and make a death rattle/moan sound.
That is the point that I would want to be killed, when I can't function or speak. If I could talk and operate on my own then I would prefer to live. But if I'm pretty much a walking collection of bone and muscle with no ability to communicate or know whats going on then no, I would MUCH rather be dead.
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You guys do understand there is a rather large scale of mental retardation. There is also a huge range of other mental disabilitys. You can be considered 'mentally retarded' and still function fine in society.
When I worked with special Ed kids in school, most seemed all happy as hell, eager to learn and really fun to talk with.
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: Toddo]
#7456989 - 09/26/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am speaking of the really bad cases.
I have known people with illnesses that could still almost provide for themselves.
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Quote:
oliveplume said:
they aren't conscious really, they are a burden, and their organs can be used to benefit others.
*I do not say any of this coldly, I'm a very compassionate person.
So you say. Many of them actually are conscious. There's a big difference between Terry Shiavo and someone with Down's Syndrome. If you're talking about harvesting from people with learning disabilities, I'm going to conclude that you're a republican and leave it at that.
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: Psy Baba]
#7457279 - 09/26/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly I felt the same way recently. I don't mind mentally retarded people...some look happy.
But the other day I saw this guy, being walked around by like a caregiver or something. Making the same sound over and over again like his brain was hurt or something. Kind of like what you described...a sound that sounded like they were in bad pain. I felt sorry for him...but at the same time I thought...why didn't they just kill him at birth. He looked like he was having such a hard time...would living like that really be worth it..I felt bad for thinking that but its so true.
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: aDoS]
#7457348 - 09/26/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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You think he's making a bad sound now? He'll make a much worse one when you try to kill him. Just saying.
I couldn't live with myself if I killed a 'tard. Neither could his parents.
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oliveplume said:
A good friend of mine recently became "retarded" after a drug overdose
Would you feel comfortable elaborating on this? I'm curious..
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Re: Mentally retarded folk. [Re: Brugman]
#7457420 - 09/26/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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No problem Brug. One night when drinking patron and popping valium she overdosed. I couldn't tell you how much she had to drink or how many pills she had because I wasn't there. Her roomie who happened to be the one who had been prescribed the pills, freaked out and probably could have saved Erin if she hadn't acted so selfishly. She just hoped that Erin would snap out of it and regain consciousness; after 5 minutes (erin was probably beginning to gain brain damage at this point) she thought it might be a good idea to call Erin's mom and tell her that her daughter overdosed on drugs. Her mom didn't even pick up so she just left a message saying her daughter had od'd and that she should call her back as soon as possible, wtf? It wasn't until five minutes later that Erin's mom even got the message and it was her who ended up calling 911, not Erin's roommate.
Medics didn't get there until 20minutes later and as you can tell from the pictures, Erin will never be what she once was ever again. Her heart had stopped beating for 5 minutes apparently and she suffered 60% brain damage. She was in a coma for the first 5 months; today which is about a year later, has made minimal progress. She can see in VERY poor black and white vision out of her left eye, can recognize friends voices, smoke cigarettes with help (lol), and laugh.
The best she will ever become is someone who can lead a simple life at home and perhaps form simple sentences, but that will not be for many years to come.
Edited by oliveplume (09/26/07 08:58 PM)
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It is what it is. I actually feel nothing looking at those pictures and reading the stories. I don't feel sad or happy. This person had beauty and what many dream of and destroyed it. I'm really inclined to say "Good" and "She should go fuck herself and die" but that's kind of dark and I'm not sure I really feel like saying that. I don't know what my response should be. I'm sorry for perhaps responding with a not so favorable response to someone whom you know but those pictures and story provoked a weird response in me and I wanted to articulate it.
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