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toadstooly
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Mushroom Compost
#7344248 - 08/28/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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here where i live you can buy bags of compost for gardening known as Mushroom Compost. Its the composted substrate from mushroom farming. Good dark crumbly compost. I've used it lots over the years on plants and they love the stuff.
wondering if you could use this as a substrate? or as a portion of a substrate? its local and its cheap so that would be awesome.
thanx.
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CaptainLinger
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344288 - 08/28/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Spent substrate doesn't have a lot of material friendly for mushrooms; it's already been consumed.
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toadstooly
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would adding anything back to it help with that?
like blood meal, worm castings, coffee grounds?
I've got lots of organic amendments for growing my MJ plants...
I want something like the high mountain compost but without paying 50 bucks for a 10 lb bag.
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344386 - 08/28/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I mean...yes.
It would help it. You may be able to introduce *some* nutrients to the substrate.
But you might as well start with something that has value in the first place. Hpoo is free. If you want something like High Mountain Compost (a complex blend) you'll have to pay, or make it yourself. Hpoo works about as well as anything out there.
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toadstooly
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thanx.
I'll just have to check around my area for stables and what not.
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344468 - 08/28/07 12:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are talking about already used compost that some mushroom farm has already used...you don't want that.
If you can get ahold of unused compost that is made for growing mushrooms... that is what you would want.
There are several places online that sell unused mushroom compost... including one of the Shroomery Vendors.
tc
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: Roadkill]
#7344476 - 08/28/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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your referring to something like high mountain compost right?
yeah, i know the difference between the mushroom compost you buy in 20lb bags for your veggies and the mushroom compost that high mountain sells. What im asking is if you can ammend the garden mushroom compost to bring the nutrients back up to par to be used to grow mushrooms again.
i can get 3 20lb bags of garden "mushroom compost" for 12 bucks. lol. that doesnt even cover the shipping from high mountain.
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344498 - 08/28/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes compost like high mountain sells.
it would be a waste of time for you to try and put nutrients back into spent compost... basically you are buying rich soil that would be better off in a veggie garden.
understand?
I know it's not cheap to buy quality compost from some of the places that sell it... but your other alternative is to make your own... or use horse poo, cow manure and straw, or one of the many other types of bulk substrates.
I prefer using horse poo that I get from friends and family for free.
good luck!~
tc
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toadstooly
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344500 - 08/28/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was also thinking you could add some cow manure to the compost. This would bump up the nutritional value immedietely.
edit*
must cow manure be mixed with straw to produce a nice substrate? are you referring to fresh cow manure or composted cow manure? like in a bag like black cow...
Edited by toadstooly (08/28/07 12:39 PM)
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344510 - 08/28/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
toadstooly said:
I was also thinking you could add some cow manure to the compost. This would bump up the nutritional value immedietely.
complete waste of time!~
used compost is like rich soil... we have no use for rich soil in mycology.
It's already broken down too far...to save.
tc
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toadstooly
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: Roadkill]
#7344513 - 08/28/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol. ya keep replying before i finish my post.
sorry if im being a bit annoying.
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344567 - 08/28/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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toadstooly said:
edit*
must cow manure be mixed with straw to produce a nice substrate? are you referring to fresh cow manure or composted cow manure? like in a bag like black cow...
you edited it while I was responding to it...
no problem.
cow manure can have a muddy consistancy sometimes if you don't add some wheat straw into the mix.
cows have 4 stomachs and break down their food more than horses.
this is the reason that horse manure works without having to add any straw into the mixture. I hate working with straw... so I stay away from using cow manure.
and you would used dried cow manure(dried patties) from the field... then add wheat straw to it.
products like Black Cow can work... in certain parts of the USA the stuff works good... and then in other parts of the USA it sucks bad. so you could get some and give it a try and see how the stuff in your area works out for you.
tc
-------------------- Laterz, Road Who the hell you callin crazy? You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch! Brainiac said: PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.
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toadstooly
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: Roadkill]
#7344572 - 08/28/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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for some reason i assume im in a good part of the us.
florida is the shroom growing heaven. lol.
thanx though, i understand a bit more why im looking for certain things and not others.
im gonna try to find fresh horse manure. If i cant i'll probably go with coir/black kow or somthing like that. so many damn choices.
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344627 - 08/28/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, you're *way* better off with straight horse manure.
In order, horse manure, coir, then cow manure compost + straw are preferred.
I've had good luck with straw + composted cow manure (make sure to get manure, not manure/humus compost). It's a real pain in the ass though, and hpoo is preferred.
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344643 - 08/28/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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from what I understand...
Black Kow from Florida works great!~
tc
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toadstooly
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: Roadkill]
#7344694 - 08/28/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I had a feeling that would be the case.
i sure appreciate all the help fellas.
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mycocurious
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Re: Mushroom Compost [Re: toadstooly]
#7344751 - 08/28/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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The reason amending it wouldn't work is because it's already been digested and consumed by mushrooms. The most eloquent and absolutely nasty analogy I could provide is...
If I were to eat a wonderfully balanced meal of fish with sides of a starch and several vegetables, I would obtain the nutrition from those foods. Once I shit it out, sprinkling new vitamins into it will neither renew it's nutritional value nor make it more appealing for you to eat. Quintessentially, we're talking about the same thing here in terms of attempting to amend mushroom compost.
Plants on the other hand, since they don't consume their nutrients, they absorb them, they would be able to benefit from the remains...
The reason equine manure is considered the substrate of choice is because it's generally only half-digested, leaving plenty of nutrients left for the mycelium to consume themselves.
-------------------- Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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Quote:
CaptainLinger said: Yeah, you're *way* better off with straight horse manure.
In order, horse manure, coir, then cow manure compost + straw are preferred.
I'd like to think that homemade compost would be #1 above straight horse manure but I doubt I'd win that crusade...
-------------------- Don't mistake my tone for a "matter-of-fact" attitude. I'm just presenting what I believe to be correct, until I'm corrected... - How Myco-Curious Prepares Coir & Compost Substrates - How Myco-Curious Builds A Bulk Humidifier - How Myco-Curious Builds An Automated Greenhouse ------------------------------------ figgusfiddus said: Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.
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toadstooly
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are you referring to just normal homemade compost?
kitchen scraps, leaves, egg shells, coffee grounds, fresh manure, all that?
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Quote:
mycocurious said:
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CaptainLinger said: Yeah, you're *way* better off with straight horse manure.
In order, horse manure, coir, then cow manure compost + straw are preferred.
I'd like to think that homemade compost would be #1 above straight horse manure but I doubt I'd win that crusade...
I think good compost is worth it's weight in gold. I like to use 50% hpoo and 50% compost for my bulk subs. The texture of the hpoo is the only thing I use it for, the compost has plenty of nutes.
Peace
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