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InvisibleKilroyMilosevik
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Amanita.... what?
    #7290431 - 08/13/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'm at least correct in saying they are a species of Amanita, right? But what kind?

Habitat - Found in mulch, growing next to a small pine type bush

Location - Northern Illinois

Cap - White with brown or greyish scales, some of the caps darkened to more of a brown as they matured although others remained pretty white.

Gills - cream, closely compacted and free (not attached to stem correct?)

Stem - White, kind of scaly and fibrous. Also has a universal veil, but I didn't fuck with it.

Bruising - darkened to a purple/pink/brown on the stem, not as noticeable on the caps

Spore Print - Creamy White

Scent - it smells like a mushroom... nothing distinct

Enjoy the pics - thanks in advance for responses





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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: KilroyMilosevik]
    #7290478 - 08/13/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, not an Amanita. It looks like a Lepiota. The Lepiotas that bruise red should be considered extremely poisonous.

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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: KilroyMilosevik]
    #7290479 - 08/13/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm . . . those are really good pictures, but im not exactly sure what species of amamnitas it is. Did you dig up the base by chance, just in case it isn't. Amanita rubescens or Amanita flavorubescens, is my best guest, if it is indeed an amanita.

Edited by IslandShroomer (08/13/07 09:14 AM)

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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: xmush]
    #7290485 - 08/13/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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xmush said:
Actually, not an Amanita. It looks like a Lepiota. The Lepiotas that bruise red should be considered extremely poisonous.





looks like the Lepiota americana ...Edible reddening lepiota
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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7290488 - 08/13/07 09:17 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It makes me so unsure because of the scaly caps, but by no means am I consuming any of these... I just like to learn

xmush, I'd take your word on it - I don't know shit about lepiotas and really don't know a whole lot about amanitas so I couldn't possibly argue against it


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7290494 - 08/13/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

alright, one were guess, Leucoagaricus americanus, which use to be Lepiota americana until recently. Someone better at identifying mushrooms then me can help you more.

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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7290496 - 08/13/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

hello that look like a lepiota i second that , when founding amanitas is very necesarry to dig the base of the stem and pull gently the volva is a structure, like an egg, only amanitas have volva ,this ones have a enlargement in the base but is not a volva ,also all amanita have withish spores, all my best


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: KilroyMilosevik]
    #7290504 - 08/13/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

With experience you'll realize a difference between what I believe are true scales on the caps of Lepiotas and friends, vs. the warts that are remnants of the universal veil on Amanitas. The warts on Amanitas are just sort of stuck on there, and can usually be brushed off fairly easily. The scales in Lepiotas actually are growing from the cap, and will be more firmly attached.

Anyone with more mycological knowledge than me, please correct me if the above description is incorrect.

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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: cactu]
    #7290508 - 08/13/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

No, I don't think these had a volva - I totally forgot about checking for that actually

The base on these were enlarged with a small bit of networking attached

Although I didn't attempt to dig anything up; looking back on it I'm about 99% sure they didn't have a volva - so thanks for the reminder!


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: xmush]
    #7290518 - 08/13/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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With experience you'll realize a difference between what I believe are true scales on the caps of Lepiotas and friends, vs. the warts that are remnants of the universal veil on Amanitas. The warts on Amanitas are just sort of stuck on there, and can usually be brushed off fairly easily. The scales in Lepiotas actually are growing from the cap, and will be more firmly attached.

Anyone with more mycological knowledge than me, please correct me if the above description is incorrect.




Sounds extremely plausible to me... yea these were actual scales that can't really be removed without damaging the cap

I've seen Amanitas in the past; I just never stopped and examined or spore printed any (I was on vacation).


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: KilroyMilosevik]
    #7291380 - 08/13/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yup, Leucoagaricus amaricanus.


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: CureCat]
    #7291593 - 08/13/07 04:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys...

So yea I found these at work a few days ago... and today I walk into work and there are three more and they were HUGE! The caps on them had to be between 8 and 10 inches - and I know amanitas don't grow to that size.

I would go back with my camera, but this sinus infection is killing me and I think Ima just kick back and relax...


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: RandomHero]
    #7291623 - 08/13/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

xmush said:
Actually, not an Amanita. It looks like a Lepiota. The Lepiotas that bruise red should be considered extremely poisonous.





looks like the Lepiota americana ...Edible reddening lepiota
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i second this opinion


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: greys]
    #7291784 - 08/13/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I found these which I identified as Lepiota americana. The red/orange staining reaction was vivid and immediate - even at the slightest touch.





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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: RandomHero]
    #7291909 - 08/13/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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xmush said:
Actually, not an Amanita. It looks like a Lepiota. The Lepiotas that bruise red should be considered extremely poisonous.





looks like the Lepiota americana ...Edible reddening lepiota
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Now I'm confused... I'm taking Leucoagaricus amaricanus as correct, but is it edible or poisonous? Not that I'm going to eat any either way...

Edited by KilroyMilosevik (08/13/07 06:52 PM)

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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: KilroyMilosevik]
    #7292150 - 08/13/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

it is edible, however in many it can cause an allergic reaction . . . also, sense it tends to be abundant in urban areas, sometimes un-natural toxins reach it.

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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: IslandShroomer]
    #7292707 - 08/13/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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it is edible, however in many it can cause an allergic reaction . . . also, sense it tends to be abundant in urban areas, sometimes un-natural toxins reach it.




Good enough reason for me to just admire their beauty... gave me something to enjoy on break

They are absolutely colossal now, like the size of dinner plates... some damn kid picked one and put it on one of the patio tables though - fucker


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: scout24]
    #7292913 - 08/14/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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I found these which I identified as Lepiota americana. The red/orange staining reaction was vivid and immediate - even at the slightest touch.








lepiota amricana grow in woodchips pretty much exclusively.


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Re: Amanita.... what? [Re: greys]
    #7293854 - 08/14/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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greysRDbest said:
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I found these which I identified as Lepiota americana. The red/orange staining reaction was vivid and immediate - even at the slightest touch.

40-redstainer.jpg




lepiota amricana grow in woodchips pretty much exclusively.




Yes, that's what I've read too. However, there are reports of it growing on grass. At any rate, that was my best guess. The spore print was white. Any ideas?


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