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Blutjager
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Worm castings and coir
#7171924 - 07/13/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have recently stumbled upon a place that has big bags of worm castings for gardening as well as this http://www.terracycle.net/ stuff,I am wondering for the folks who use worm castings with coir what your ratios/recipes and as far at the terracycle could I just forget the big bag of worm castings and hydrate the coir in the terracycle,that sounds idea to me but am I missing something,a buffer perhaps.I hope not,will I have to add anything else cause the only way I ever got my hands on gypsum was by grinding up Sheetrock(Luckily I still have a huge chunk of it)and all the lime they sell by me is the useless "Pelletized" kind that is made to be used in spreaders
Anyone with any feedback on this would be quite helpful,my last grow was that "Neglect" grow and I'm getting antsy to make up some spawn but I want to do something different with it
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Blutjager]
#7171990 - 07/13/07 04:41 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is NOT MY TEK and am not trying to take credit for it, just reposting it...it comes from Ass at the sporelab forums. And it works a lot better if you add some straw to the mix, straw is GREAT for bulk substrates, it holds water, adds nutes, and gives the myc great rails to grow through your subtrate. and of course the spawnmate is optional, and I don't know anything about terracycle, seems like a waste of money to me, this tek works wonderfully, lots of big healthy flushes, and colonizes fast and strong. and the best place to get worm castings IME is ebay. you can get high quality castings cheap. less than a dollar a pound after shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/Worm-Castings-Organic-Fertilizer-Soil-Builder-60-lb_W0QQitemZ170130324316QQihZ007QQcategoryZ20540QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Shake and Bake Worm Shit/Coir Ubbersubstrate
Multiply as you see fit for larger projects, larger tubs, or larger plans... >:)
You will need
5lbs of worm castings (Good garden stores, look for pure castings. Ebay even) 1.5lb brick of Coco Coir (Reptile bedding. Available at petco,etc) Large Pot(s) with lid 4 Empty Gallon Jugs 1 Cup Measuring Cup/Scoop Spawnmate 87 Grams will supplement this 6.5lbs of dry substrate at about 3%.(Optional) 25 Gallon Opaque Rubbermaid with lid 1 Medium Spawn Bag of colonized grain. 2 Extra Large Heavy Duty Trash bags 2 Turkey Sized Oven Bags
Step 1 - Make Worm Shit Tea.
4 Cups Worm Shit (If you only have 5lbs of castings, it is ok to take the 4 cups from your bag) 2.5 Gallons of Tap water
Place in large pot and Simmer uncovered on low for 1 hour, stirring occasionally.
Cover and let set for a few hours or over night, carefully decant tea in to two gallon jugs leaving sludge behind, decant sludge into third gallon and top off with water, use this for plants. Hate to waste.
You now have two gallons of nice brown worm shit tea.
Step 2 - Hydrate Your Materials
Take 1 1.5lb Brick of Coir, and 5 lbs dry of Worm Castings
Take the coir brick and place it in a trash bag with one gallon of worm poo tea. Wait 30 minutes to an hour and check to see that the coir has expanded evenly and is nice and moist throughout. Break up any hard pieces and let soak longer if need be, add a little water if necc. It can take longer for the coir to expand when it is cold, so warming your tea helps. In my experience 1 gallon is perfect for one brick.
After it has all expanded and it is all the same fluffy consistency, you can drain any excess tea, but don’t squeeze out any of it, just drain it. Chances are there will be nothing to drain.
Next Place your worm castings in a large container and add water to them until they are very moist but not muddy. This can be done in a trash bag as well and makes mixing easy. Generally 1.5 Cups of water to 5lbs of castings is good. Moisture content of castings can vary, so use your best judgement. You want moist not dripping.
Pour worm castings and coir into an extra large heavy duty trash bag and mix well. Add Spawnmate a little at a time to mix evenly.
Step 3 - Pasteurize your substrate
Load substrate mix into 2 Turkey Size Oven bags (You could probably fit it all into one if you want)
Preheat and Bake in the oven at 175 deg for 3 hours. Let cool to room temp.
Pour into clean heavy duty trash bag
Add Spawn and mix thoroughly
Pour everything into 25 gallon Rubbermaid, level with clean hands.
When colonization is complete case with 1" of straight coir, and stand back or fruit uncased.
Edited by Rasulaz (07/13/07 04:51 PM)
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Blutjager
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Rasulaz]
#7178858 - 07/15/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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So NO-ONE have any feedback on hydrating coir with Terracycle
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6584724#6584724
This was all I could come up with in a search but I'm sure more people have done it,I mean it stands to reason to me that it may be better than just throwing coffee in my coir,does anyone else have ANY feedback
Edited by Blutjager (07/15/07 11:29 AM)
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Blutjager
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Blutjager]
#7186440 - 07/17/07 01:42 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Banez
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Blutjager]
#7186447 - 07/17/07 01:44 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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try shooting trippinteddy a PM, he should be able to help you. I know he does some stuff with worm castings.
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Blutjager
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Banez]
#7186475 - 07/17/07 01:53 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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The only one that I found whom used actual terracycle was Primate and I'm awaiting his response,I I would like to know if its work the money because that stuff is like 6 bucks a bottle and I may need quite a few bottles.
I really should have called this thread "Terracycle and coir" because I'm not sure how much the the bag of worm castings costs but I know the bag is huge and unless I was trying a grow with just worm castings only I would be stuck with most of that back for quite some time,its bad enough I have to always take up so much room in my grow area for giant bags or rye/birdseed and Miracle grow moisture control
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Blutjager]
#7187657 - 07/17/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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As far as using the worm castings, you can use it at any ratio you like. When I use worm castings and coir I like to mix in worm castings until I have a consistency and a texture I'm happy with. I really don't have a method I just eyeball and feel it out.
Agar recommends making a Worm castings emulsion so to speak buy adding worm castings to the water you're going to use to hydrate with and mixing it with a blender.
Personally I've never tried that. Sounds like a damn mess lol.
But it sounds as though that terracycle might be pretty much the same thing as worm casting emulsion. All I can say is give it a shot. Make up a small tray and add it in. I think it would probably work fine honestly. Add it to the water you hydrate with. I think that would be your best shot.
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TrippinTeddy said: As far as using the worm castings, you can use it at any ratio you like. When I use worm castings and coir I like to mix in worm castings until I have a consistency and a texture I'm happy with. I really don't have a method I just eyeball and feel it out.
Agar recommends making a Worm castings emulsion so to speak buy adding worm castings to the water you're going to use to hydrate with and mixing it with a blender.
Personally I've never tried that. Sounds like a damn mess lol.
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i had told him the same thing in a pm
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mycocurious
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: royer]
#7188566 - 07/17/07 02:57 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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Blut, I know you like "ease of use" products where you can pick them up from the big box store, but in this case, get the castings and make your own tea. It's so much easier and CHEAPER...
A 30lbs bag of "Wiggle Worm" costs about $18 after taxes at my local hydroponics/home brewery store (i swear, it's like a "pre-head" shop, lol, I love that place)
I've made tea with it once, as directed on a gardenweb forum... 1 parts castings 3 parts water
She suggested letting it soak for about two days in a big 5 gallon bucket with an aquarium bubbler tossed in to help aerate (same as if you were making compost tea) and then load it up in bottles.
She said terracycle is just doing that for you, putting it into recycled bottles and charging you a $4 per bottle premium for being a "green" company.
I've also used it directly in my coco-coir (I grow plants in it) with the same ratio, 1 parts casting / 3 parts coir... compared to coffee, so far the only difference I've noticed in my plants is that castings are an organic slow-release where as coffee is an organic fast-release of nitrogen.
--- the majority of this experience comes from flora and not fungal growing so, as always...YMMV
Just hope that helps...and if you have any other specifics on this shit (waited until the end to have fun with that one) send me a PM
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Blutjager
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: mycocurious]
#7188686 - 07/17/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just bought the castings anyway,I think I'm going to just add them straight to the coir when I add the spawn
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mycocurious
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Blutjager]
#7188741 - 07/17/07 03:46 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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:thumbsup:
Let us/me know how it goes. And are you doing it as a coffee replacement or "in addition to" the coffee?
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Blutjager]
#7188752 - 07/17/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 8 months ago) |
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myco...would that be the good 'ol Brew 'n Grow?
They have em in a few cities, I go there for brewing supplies and massive quantities of vermiculite Love it!
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Re: Worm castings and coir [Re: Rasulaz]
#25933678 - 04/14/19 07:29 AM (4 years, 11 months ago) |
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Worm farming is incredibly easy. Dump your compost in the bin and they will eat twice their weight in a day, producing rich castings in weeks.
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