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Huehuecoyotl
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Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It
#7135022 - 07/05/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was thinking about something today. I have been actively identifying my cultural programming in order to become aware of it and therefore gain some degree of freedom from it. In the past I viewed it as a collection of ideas installed by other people with no choice made on my end. I have visualized it like a trojan horse put there by an enemy. Today I realized that my programming is not just an integral part of me, but that it is me. To view it as an installation or a fragment of my self creates a separation or a fragmentation of self. When one separates ones self from ones ideas then the ensuing fragmentation creates conflict between the fragments. When conflict occurs change becomes much more difficult because more effort has to be expended in fighting such a conflict continually. Progress will be be hard won and short lived. In order to successfully modify such programming in a permanent fashion one must accept their programming as being their self. This must be accepted unconditionally with an open heart. Creating separation and conflict leaves us cut off from our selves. We are not separate from our culture, but instead we are our culture. We are all co-creators of culture, and lend our voice to it's noise. Only in the unconditional acceptance of our culture and it's programming as being ones self can we have hope to change the internal or the external culture.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7135102 - 07/05/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am at the same thought as you. It does no good, in terms of intergrating new truth into yourself, to deny what you are. Acceptance of it is the key to freedom, if you are to make decisions that are not based in fear of self but love for self. Ive discovered that it takes three steps, when you choose something you have discovered is not true. One - love, (acceptance with an open heart) 2 - deliberation with the thought, the identity you expressed 3 - annunciation of truth, as come to from the deliberation. Although i have trouble keeping it complete.I have a habit of doubting the outcome of the third step, because of the nature of a belief, never 100% certain. However, this is irrelevant because it works both ways, not certain of it being certain and not certain of it being untruth. i must be stubborn but this is all i can do with that aspect of everything i am. Lovely JLM
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7135116 - 07/05/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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seeiing it gives you more freedom.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7135162 - 07/05/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree. I am understanding lately that when one tries to find truth through the creation of internal conflict...or arguing with the self... that much more effort is needed to be expended. Our ideas and beliefs are us. There is no separation. Surrender to unconditional acceptance is indeed needed to integrate change. Viewing culture as the enemy or separate from ourselves only serves to leave us cut off from our feelings. Being cut off in this way creates a isolation that is not tolerable to us. To change effortlessly requires the expenditure of no effort. This is the most energy efficient way to accomplish anything...effortlessly.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7135300 - 07/05/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Great, so if you don't like yourself, change it. If you do, keep it. Who cares where it came from, sure, its you, but it doesn't have to be there just because. If the color of the wall sucks, paint it.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: justamonkey]
#7135581 - 07/06/07 12:24 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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same thing basically. i agree.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: truekimbo2]
#7136226 - 07/06/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah justamonkey and do not forget to accept yourself and express unconditonal love to yourself, within the process of teaching yourself new and desirable truths that you wish to eventually, express without conciouss choice. Well thats it where i am aiming for and it works. I used to only care about what peoples bodies looked like in terms of relationships, especially girls, now i do not over exagerate it because i have taught myself to see the truth, we are not bodies, bodies is what we express truth from, we are thoughts and if we are to be our thoughts as is our birth right, we are love, in the sense that without this acceptance of ourselves as good and bad, we will be without our true thoughts, given that you must be loving of your thought system, before you let it do what it desires.Lovely - see you all again
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: JoseLibrado]
#7140185 - 07/06/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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express without conciouss choice
Why do you want to express something WITHOUT conscious choice.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7140272 - 07/07/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have to agree, I seek to make every action a deliberate one, in that way, I have experienced my life to its maximum, instead of just auto piloting through it.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7141627 - 07/07/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: I was thinking about something today. I have been actively identifying my cultural programming in order to become aware of it and therefore gain some degree of freedom from it. In the past I viewed it as a collection of ideas installed by other people with no choice made on my end. I have visualized it like a trojan horse put there by an enemy. Today I realized that my programming is not just an integral part of me, but that it is me. To view it as an installation or a fragment of my self creates a separation or a fragmentation of self. When one separates ones self from ones ideas then the ensuing fragmentation creates conflict between the fragments. When conflict occurs change becomes much more difficult because more effort has to be expended in fighting such a conflict continually. Progress will be be hard won and short lived. In order to successfully modify such programming in a permanent fashion one must accept their programming as being their self. This must be accepted unconditionally with an open heart. Creating separation and conflict leaves us cut off from our selves. We are not separate from our culture, but instead we are our culture. We are all co-creators of culture, and lend our voice to it's noise. Only in the unconditional acceptance of our culture and it's programming as being ones self can we have hope to change the internal or the external culture.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7141642 - 07/07/07 10:36 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, this thread is pretty conclusive, through MY tired eyes.
Good Job Huehuecoyotl! Well written!
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Apollyphelion]
#7141761 - 07/07/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I usually find it best to just not associate myself with something that sparks a negative emotion inside me. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
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Re: Accepting Cultural programming to Obtain Freedom From It [Re: Kinematics]
#7146260 - 07/08/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do i want to experience something without concious choice? I have no choice, any choice that i make will eventually be a sub-concious choice, kind of like the first time that i began to make a concious choice of looking at others for that i should do, now the choice is made for me after so many times, its my nature. Its kind of like smelling a nasty smell. Eventually the smell just intergrates with your reality. Also, i really want to come to a point where love is something i do not have to choose to do, like it was when i was a child, its a birth right.Its a challenge. Pretty much, hmmm.....there is something else lurking as a reason, ill investigate and get back to you. Love you all. JLM
-------------------- The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution. And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change. Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems. Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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