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Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone
    #7100711 - 06/27/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Hi,
I've been monitoring an area of Hay bales in New England. Mind you these are fairly new bales laid early June 07. Coprinus have filled them for almost 1 month. These are the first of the panaeolus sp. that I've spotted in this area. I can't go so far as to name them subbalteatus; they are unlike any P. subbalteatus I've found over the last 5 years.
Does anyone concur or care to speculate.
Growth Pattern: cesposite
Habitat: construction hay, morning sun afternoon shade unfortunatly dry with inadequate humidy. Not ideal but may do well with plenty of rain.
spore print: Black
stipe: hollow, fibrous, reddish, wispy white neartop atypical subalteatus twist color texture ect.
gills: are fluffy and layered similar to pan foen but close and mottled presenting a lower profile.
Cap: round, girdled ring is not apparent. Wavyness attributed to dry sunny conditions. Rather small in my opinion but I've never actually found the first cycle of a bale.

I know pan foens and these are not. Any additional info or comments please let me know.

I cut the stipes above any mycelium so the bluish tinge couldn't be noted. Hopefully I will follow up with more photos or significant feature in a few days... NFUm...

Ok, photos help sorry...

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: nofind_um]
    #7100846 - 06/27/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

They have a psilocybe look to them but the habbitat / black print rules out that pretty much. Someone here should know.


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7100853 - 06/27/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Also is that bluing on the stem or was that spores?


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Montanahunter420]
    #7100891 - 06/27/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

panaeolus acuminatus.I think.:igor:

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: nofind_um]
    #7101068 - 06/27/07 09:46 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

nevermind,I'm wrong.:igor:

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: coon]
    #7101311 - 06/27/07 10:27 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

i dunno, i found an enormous patch of pan. subs. last week and a couple of them were very similar in appearance to those, not wavy but definitely pulling upwards with drying. I took them and printed them along side of the much wetter specimen and got black prints from both of them, so assumed they were all pan sub. They were much drier than the others in the patch, so perhaps this is an indication. Maybe you should try adding a little watter to the tops and see if the zonate rings become clearer?!?! I also noticed that once they all dried out, they were identical in appearance.


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: InsolentPrude]
    #7101339 - 06/27/07 10:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

you may be right about subbs,the stems look the same.it's the caps that look odd.I've seen hygaphaneous subbs before but not the way those are.the umbo is not natural for them is it?:igor:

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: coon]
    #7101386 - 06/27/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

roger's says: cap type: Convex to shield shaped

however if they ARE pan.sub. i would recommend drying, grinding and putting in tea...they can be a bitch on your stomach, especially fresh.


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: InsolentPrude]
    #7101464 - 06/27/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

I think theyre weird ass subbs.

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7102076 - 06/28/07 02:53 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks everyone, I agree...


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: nofind_um]
    #7102123 - 06/28/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Definitely a Panaeolus.... P. subbalteatus is a likely possibility, but I have never seen any with such morphology.  The colour is especially surprising.  I'd like to see more photos if/when more fruit!  :smile:


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: CureCat]
    #7102130 - 06/28/07 03:37 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

MORPHOLOGY: is the study of the form or shape of an organism or part thereof.

had to look that one up.:igor:

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: coon]
    #7102173 - 06/28/07 04:13 AM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Hahaha, 1808 posts in the mushroom hunting forum, and you never knew what that meant??  You're an odd one.  :tongue:


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: CureCat]
    #7102339 - 06/28/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

those stems look awfully white to be subbalteatus, in my opinion

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Mead]
    #7102643 - 06/28/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Indeed, that is not the only unusual feature. But I have considered other species of Panaeolus and none are seemingly more fitting, so I say, maybe subbs.


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: nofind_um]
    #7103085 - 06/28/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting. The do appear to be some sort of Panaeolus but thats about as far as I can go with just a picture. They definately need to be looked at under the microscope. Check your PM's


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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Workman]
    #7104220 - 06/28/07 05:15 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

They can definitely have white/very pale stems.


And upturned caps have been known to occur...

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7106365 - 06/29/07 06:33 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

maybe they can, but it's not likely to happen often, but go ahead and do your own research; you won't see many(any in my folders) with white stems, you're gonna see red.

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Mead]
    #7107113 - 06/29/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Just saying its not out of the realm of impossibility.
Besides, Its a black spore print, he claims to have a reddish stem quality and it blued at the base.Including it had a twisting stem similar to subbalteatus. What else would you need to ID? is there another active panaeolus species in new england that we arent thinking of?

I say subbs. Remember MORPHOLOGY!

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Re: Panaeolus sp. ?? anyone [Re: Mead]
    #7107178 - 06/29/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

nofindum say stipe: hollow, fibrous, reddish, wispy white neartop atypical subalteatus twist color texture ect.:igor:

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