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 Icelander
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 Content and Intent 
#7079137 - 06/22/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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IMO, most of the posting here in this forum makes a great case that psychedelics are relatively useless for spiritual growth.  
Being here at one of the most prolific psychedelic forums on the net has been a real eye opener for me.
IMO, intent is the true key to growth and psychedelics can be useful to those who have a strong link to intent. Otherwise no.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7079170 - 06/22/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I could not agree more with that. Drugs are fun and cool, but just taking psychedelic drugs does not make one enlightened in a spiritual sense or increase the likelihood of any sort of growth or awakening. I think intent IS truly the key. Psychedelics can justify ANY belief system no matter how erroneous, but they are powerful tools when we learn to recognize when we are bullshitting ourselves.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
Edited by Huehuecoyotl (06/22/07 10:39 AM)
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this forum meaning shroomery as a whole, or P&S?
for P&S I'd say not, but it in fact seems to linger behind something like e-sangha
for shroomery at large ? Oh goodness yes I agree.
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: leery11]
#7079289 - 06/22/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Talking about the posters in P&S
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7079342 - 06/22/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most def., intent is crucial 
Do you have a strong link to intent?
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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: dblaney]
#7079348 - 06/22/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I fuckin wish.:D
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: dblaney]
#7079350 - 06/22/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I use chewing gum or duct tape to connect to intent.
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7079362 - 06/22/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
IMO, most of the posting here in this forum makes a great case that psychedelics are relatively useless for spiritual growth.
Yeah, they should be made illegal - or something...
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7079363 - 06/22/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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dblaney
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
I use chewing gum or duct tape to connect to intent.
Those are alright, but I find some good ole' fashioned epoxy is great, because it smells so bad, it's a constant reminder. It smells kinda like rotten fish or something.
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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"
"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer
Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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OrgoneConclusion
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said:
I use chewing gum or duct tape to connect to intent.
Here is an actual photo of Huehue and Icey "in tent".
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I use chewing gum or duct tape to connect to intent.
JB Weld.
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3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Diploid]
#7079562 - 06/22/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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it sounds kind of silly to me to say to yourself "I intend to become more spiritual and philosophical".
Wisdom comes suddenly. Cognitions just click. Not saying that by sitting on your couch you will one day become enlightened (you need to be sitting under a tree for that right?), but having intention to become more spiritual kind of sounds like the futile internal "talking-to" I give myself after a drug binge to get healthy and start getting on a better workout program.
the majority of my philosophy comes from reading, and some from people watching/interaction.... and psychedelics break down my preconceived notions about reality long enough to give a few moments of clarity and alternate perspective, which can fortify or dissolve my previous notions.
That is what we do here at P&S....read. By writing down our philosophies and spiritual musings we can critique ourselves and others, just as if we are reading Utopia, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, and Casteneda.
I think intent can only put in place the thirst for multiple perspectives and knowledge, but psychedelics, introspective moments and cognitions come from something beyond intent. IMO.
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7080135 - 06/22/07 03:11 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Intent and might I add also constant internalization (instead of exteriorization and projection) of the process are IMO of paramount importance if one is aims to gain anything constructive from the psychedelic experience.
A quick overview of the trip reports published daily on Shroomery and Bluelight reveals that the majority of people who use psychedelics neither use intent nor keep their process of exploration internalized. It seems most people take psychedelics in complex physical and social settings where the unconscious material of their psyches fuses with the internal stimuli into an inextricable amalgam and so prevents any kind of truly productive introspection and resolution of internal dynamics.
Therefore it's probably no wonder that some people can take psychedelics for years and achieve neither personal growth nor healing of any of their emotional problems. But I believe the main reason for this is not that much in lack of motivation as in lack of information. It seems people just don't know that there is another way to use these tools. 
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Icelander
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If it takes them years to figure this out with all the info out there then they are all candidates for darwin awards.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7080596 - 06/22/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
IMO, intent is the true key to growth and psychedelics can be useful to those who have a strong link to intent. Otherwise no.
I was just thinking this the other day, couldn't agree more. It is unfortunate that most people lack understanding of how to use psychedelics to achieve 'deeper' results (however, I do not believe there is a right or wrong way to use them. If people want to get fucked up that's great...except it's not because of the social stigma generated).
The experiences I have with psychedelics are almost exponentially more fulfilling and insightful when used in conjunction with meditation, fasting, exercise, healthy diet, good minndset/setting/company, and, of course, a lot of DMT taken right after the peak of the experience   .
Psychedelics are human's best friend
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Edited by cilosyb (06/22/07 05:10 PM)
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Icelander
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Grok]
#7080647 - 06/22/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought I was your best friend?:(
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7086117 - 06/24/07 04:51 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
If it takes them years to figure this out with all the info out there then they are all candidates for darwin awards.
Most people are slow minded and need a long time to gain an additional understanding of things. Let us treat them with compassion for they are in need of it. 
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Icelander
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Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Content and Intent [Re: Icelander]
#7087152 - 06/24/07 12:53 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
....and sometimes I don't.
That's about the time you scream "Judo chop!", right? 
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