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KingKush
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Why can't you place cakes directly on perilite ?
#7051880 - 06/16/07 02:18 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why can't you place cakes directly on perilite ?
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xaxphaanes
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perilite ? [Re: KingKush]
#7051893 - 06/16/07 02:30 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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because they will water log and hinder fruiting
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perilite ? [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7051964 - 06/16/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah. It's not a grow-ruining deal, but you'll get chewed out if RR sees it in your photos.
No, really though, too much water also makes your cakes prone to bacterial infection. It's just better to put them on something, anything, tin foil, whatever, just so long as it's not paper or anything else organic.
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zathan
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perilite ? [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7052209 - 06/16/07 08:10 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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The cake will try to colonize the moist perlite, wasting energy that is needed to fruit well.
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Ron_Hero
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: zathan]
#7052240 - 06/16/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Technically both water logging and thew cake trying to colonize the perlite are correct. Both will slow down production & cut down on your BE. Cakes having a great BE you want to keep it that way
For ideal fruiting conditions for a cake dunk and roll and place in a jar lid with some damp verm in it. Works great.
Ron
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KingKush
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: Ron_Hero]
#7053636 - 06/16/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok so I just birthed a Cake,(Amazon and Set it on top of a plastic lid.
I have had great success with just leaving the cakes directly on the perilite. But i have noticed lots of mycelium grows down into it. Which uses up all the energy of the Cake right ?
Well whatever its doing. Im going to see if things go differently by placing them on top of somthing. I will let you guys know how it turns out.
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: KingKush]
#7054019 - 06/16/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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You won't notice a huge difference, or at least I didn't. Generally, I used to set the part of my cakes that came from the prophylactic vermiculite layer face-down onto the perlite, which keeps the cakes from trying to colonize it much and still let it wick up some moisture. However, if my perlite got rather wet after some mistings, the cakes tended to do a Leaning Tower of Piza number as they sank.
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KingKush
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7201493 - 07/20/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea.. no difference was noticed.. I think this may be a myth.
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dysphoria
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: KingKush]
#7201502 - 07/20/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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fruiting chambers are _not_ sterile by design thus your perlite is _not_ sterile either meaning if your cake is sitting directly on it, it has a higher chance of contamination, vs. the cake that only has to worry about airborne contaminations
yes, placing a cake directly on perlite will cause the cake to start absorbing water from the perlite, but at the cost of possible contamination, water logging, and at NO noticiable difference to you...sure you might get a big mushroom or two, or even a mutated fat-ass that has too much water. but i can almost guarantee that the biological efficiency of your cake will not be enhanced in the least, if you were used to getting 7 dry grams off the cake, you're still gonna be getting 7 dry grams on perlite or not. remember, any extra water is just evaporated off. =) ...so why even risk it?
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KingKush
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: dysphoria]
#7206834 - 07/21/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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good point
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xaxphaanes
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: KingKush]
#7207246 - 07/21/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
fruiting chambers are _not_ sterile by design thus your perlite is _not_ sterile either meaning if your cake is sitting directly on it, it has a higher chance of contamination, vs. the cake that only has to worry about airborne contaminations
this really isn't true since contams are in the air any way if you get contams while fruiting you should look at your air exchange.
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figgusfiddus
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: xaxphaanes]
#7207256 - 07/21/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you get contams while you're fruiting, your problem is less likely to be dirty air than bad fruiting conditions. The cakes will fight off almost anything up to the third flush or so, in my experience, unless they're not at 100% health due to a shoddy FC environment. If there's plenty of FAE and plenty of moisture, you're not going to get trich or cobweb.
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KingKush
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: figgusfiddus]
#7219294 - 07/24/07 06:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes. The only contams i have came across, were before the mycelium had a strong hold onto the substrate. None of the cakes i have ever had contamed. Even after the 4th flush.
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JERSEYGROWN
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Re: Why can't you place cakes directly on perlite ? [Re: KingKush]
#14914587 - 08/13/11 03:32 AM (12 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish I could talk about flushes and reflushes but in all my grows, cake right onto perlite I NEVER had a contam problem. I also wasn't growing massive grows. Maybe 8 cakes in two fish tanks. Had them stacked next to the window so they got fresh light and they stayed covered all day. No holes or anything just once a day lift off a corner of plastic wrap.
I've never heard anyone say but, does the dunking water have to be sterilized?
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