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 JoSac
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 A lil uncolonized 
#6986331 - 05/30/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have 9 BRF/verm jars and 2 are done (one is already growing a pin but its getting really big, i never seen a pin b4 tho so idk) and 1 of them has 2 little spots that havent colonized. Would it still b ok to birth?
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Nibin
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: JoSac]
#6986501 - 05/30/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is no law anywhere that says that all your cakes have to be birthed at once. Just birth the cakes that are already colonized and birth the others whenever they are ready.
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 myndreach
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: JoSac]
#6986744 - 05/30/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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No...you shouldn't even birth them when they are 100% colonized.
You wait until they are 100% colonized, and then give them 7 additional days to fully digest the substrate. This way, they pin faster once birthed and can get a head start on any contams, etc.
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Nibin
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: myndreach]
#6986906 - 05/30/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for making a point myndreach, forgot to mention that.
What I was trying to get through to the OP is that if a jar ir ready to be birthed (i.e. 100% colonized + one week wait) you should birth it then, there is no need to wait until the others catch up. Birth each jar whenever it is ready
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Bridgeburner
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: Nibin]
#6986926 - 05/30/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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you CAN birth them when they're a bit uncolonized. you will most likely get a smaller yield though.
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shaggydogman
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I had 3 brf/verm cakes and decided to test the leave it in the jar for 7 days advice. I birthed 2 cakes pretty much a day after fully colonized and left the other 7 days and then birthed it in the same fruiting chamber.
The one I left 7 days is now pinning, the other 2 aren't quite there yet!!
So leaving them 7 days is quicker in the long run. 
Not sure about yields yet as they haven't finished yet...
If it is pinning in the Jar, birth it.
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Bridgeburner
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shaggydogman said:
If it is pinning in the Jar, birth it.
yeah, then it's best to birth it either way.
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myndreach
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Quote:
b0red5tiff said:
you CAN birth them when they're a bit uncolonized. you will most likely get a smaller yield though.
smaller yield, much higher chance of contams, less flushes...
why not wait a simple 7 days? patience is the number one virtue in this hobby
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: myndreach]
#6987204 - 05/30/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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myndreach said:
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b0red5tiff said:
you CAN birth them when they're a bit uncolonized. you will most likely get a smaller yield though.
smaller yield, much higher chance of contams, less flushes...
why not wait a simple 7 days? patience is the number one virtue in this hobby
if the myc has colonized about 80%-95% of the cake wouldn't it be strong enough to fight of contams anyway? and a cake won't give out that much of a yield anyway so some cakes birthed early won't make a difference. if you get atleast one print off them then you have succeeded and get to try again.
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patience is the number one virtue in this hobby
this is good advice but i'm getting really tired of this sentence being thrown around like it's the word of god or something.
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Nibin
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Quote:
b0red5tiff said:
this is good advice but i'm getting really tired of this sentence being thrown around like it's the word of god or something.
You've got to be patient with the people who post those things.
Patience is very important in this hobby
ROFL
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Bridgeburner
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: Nibin]
#6987238 - 05/30/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nibin said:
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b0red5tiff said:
this is good advice but i'm getting really tired of this sentence being thrown around like it's the word of god or something.
You've got to be patient with the people who post those things.
Patience is very important in this hobby
ROFL
this actually got a laugh out of me 
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shaggydogman
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JoSac has a jar with a pin!!!
As far I'm I'm concerned that shows patience in the extreeme... 
Good luck with them, JoSac.....sounds like your doing good
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shaggydogman
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: Nibin]
#6987269 - 05/30/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nibin said:
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b0red5tiff said:
this is good advice but i'm getting really tired of this sentence being thrown around like it's the word of god or something.
You've got to be patient with the people who post those things.
Patience is very important in this hobby
ROFL
 
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JoSac
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you ppl are tlking about the wrong thing. i no im supposed to wait 7 days but there is 2 lil parts that just wont colonize. will i be ok?
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Bridgeburner
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: JoSac]
#6987560 - 05/30/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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no one can say for sure but i guess it won't be doing no harm.
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myndreach
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b0red5tiff said:
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myndreach said:
why not wait a simple 7 days? patience is the number one virtue in this hobby
if the myc has colonized about 80%-95% of the cake wouldn't it be strong enough to fight of contams anyway?
No, it won't be. How can it be strong enough to fight off a contam in substrate that it doesn't exist in? It has not colonized that spot, and therefore it has zero strength there.
they will colonize in time
if they don't it is because that part of the substrate isn't properly mixed or has some contam in it that won't let the myc grow into
that uncolonized portion of the cake will sit waiting for a contam to grow on it if there is no myc on it.
there are years of experience of many many growers that have proven this...
again, it's your choice :0)
Edited by myndreach (05/30/07 03:01 PM)
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Bridgeburner
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Re: A lil uncolonized [Re: myndreach]
#6987660 - 05/30/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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so if that little spot colonizes the cake will have super powers to combat bacterial contamination? the mycelium can keep off infection once it has gained a foothold in the subsrate. even if the spot gets infected then it won't be spreading into the myc. if it would then after birthing conditions would rot the colonized cake.
i think.
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figgusfiddus
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An 4/5 colonized jar is 100% colonized in 4/5 of the jar, and 0% colonized in 1/5 of the jar. How hard is that to understand? The part that's not colonized will go bad (if it hasn't already), and it will be a place for all kinds of molds and bacteria to grow (if they aren't already). Cakes are really good at fighting off contams so long as there isn't some obvious super-nutrious place for those contams to get their own foothold.
And yes, a fully-colonized, healthy cake has "super powers" which surpass even your vague attempts at sarcasm, at least when it comes to fighting off contams.
You may think, but you don't listen!
This is where you wait. Don't birth the undercolonized cakes until they have fully colonized. If they DON'T colonize, the parts that they're not colonizing are not going to grow in. If you simply have to birth those cakes after giving it a couple of weeks, do so in a separate container where it won't infect your good cakes, and give them a good bath to remove all the extra substrate first.
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Bridgeburner
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then a fully colonized cake doesn't have super powers, does it? it has simply covered all substrate surface before a contam could get to it.
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shaggydogman
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JoSac
The jars that haven't finished.
Have they stopped or just going slower than the rest?
Some possible causes for slowing or stopping are:
- They might need some fresh air (loosen the lid a bit).
- They or the spots not colonised might be too wet.
- The areas might not have brf if the mix wasn't good.
- The uncolonised areas might be harbouring contams.
Personaly as one of the above possible causes involves contaminants I wouldn't birth the cake in the same chamber until I'd checked out the other possibles first. I just would rather not risk introducing contaminants into my grow area full stop.
Personally I would try giving the jars some air and letting the CO2 out by taking the tape off, loosening the lids, and turning the jars upside down. Then wait and see what happens.
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