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Akira
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Pasteurizing Temps
#6889975 - 05/08/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay I have read I think RR say that as long as it is above 140 but under 170 degrees you are okay. Am I correct? I am only getting my substrate to about 145 internal temperatures with my new steamer pasteurizer at the moment. Also it is taking a while to actualy reach this temperature (maybe a good 3 hours, so in total i am leaving them in cooler for about 4 hours). Im hoping with all these acumalated hours im reaching same results as 1 hour at 160. Any thoughts?
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: Akira]
#6890029 - 05/08/07 05:36 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why shouldn't the temp go above 170? We're not worried about leaching tannins are we?
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: cbiegel]
#6890104 - 05/08/07 05:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Temperatures over this would destroy beneficial bacteria that the myc can use.
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: theratatat]
#6890143 - 05/08/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ah, thanks.
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Akira
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: cbiegel]
#6890301 - 05/08/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah unfortunately my problem is not going over 170, but rather only getting to 140-145.
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: Akira]
#6890345 - 05/08/07 06:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ha! Look what I found from RR:
"In general, I've found contaminants are less when a lower pasteurization temp is used. At 140F, the fungi spores and mycelium are killed off, but the beneficial bacteria survive. If the center of your substrate can be at 140F for one hour, you're good to go. RR"
I trust RR, I hope this is correct. Any other info on this?
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: Akira]
#6890360 - 05/08/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hate those little steamers. You want to get your pasteurization bath to about 170F or so, and then dump the pre-moistened straw into it. The wet straw will bring the temp down to 140F to 150F immediately. It's fast and easy to get it to temperature. Simply fill every kitchen kettle you have full of water and bring it to a boil, and then dump it into your tote along with a cup of lime for each ten to fifteen gallons of hot water. Add as much tap water as necessary to bring the temp down if needed.
While you're heating the water on the stove, you'll have your straw soaking in another tote of hot tap water. I mix dish soap into the soak water as a wetting agent, and shoot for a 2 hour presoak.
You want to pasteurize for an hour to an hour and a half, but not longer than that. RR
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6890388 - 05/08/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey thanks RR, but im not using straw. My current substrate is:
50% Horse Manure 20% Coco Coir 15% Black Kow Cow Manure 5% Vermiculite 5% Spent Coffe Grounds 2.5% Blood Meal 2.5% Canola Oil
Using these bags: http://www.uline.com/ProductDetail.asp?model=S-123&ref=154
Not using a pot of boiling water cause theirs too many bags. I can fit ten at a time in my tub with steamer. It gets to about 165-170 in there, but the inside of bags are only getting to 145 degrees...
But you sau 140 will work right? Im doing them for 3 hours anyways at 140 just incase..
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: Akira]
#6890859 - 05/08/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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As a home brewer I know a little bit about keeping grains (for example) in that range (mashing). I suggest using a coleman Xtream cooler and adding your water at 30F above optimum temp. After a good stir the grain/substrate should be around 30F lower (with ~ 10 lbs of material) and will maintain this temp with only a 2-3F drop for over an hour.
Obviously I’ve never done this with substrate but I would think that the methods would transfer with only a small amount of tweaking.
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: cbiegel]
#6891134 - 05/08/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
But you sau 140 will work right? Im doing them for 3 hours anyways at 140 just incase..
I wouldn't go over 90 minutes once they reach 140F. Next time, add gypsum. You'll be glad you did. RR
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Akira
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: RogerRabbit]
#6893149 - 05/09/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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What would be the purpose of gypsum in my substrate? Ive read it is used in grain jars to keep them from sticking, would it serve the same purpose here?
My substrate is plenty fluffy with all the Coco coir and oil already, not to mention the horse manure texture is like hay.
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: Akira]
#6894639 - 05/09/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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I would assume that it’s to alter the water/substrate chemistry to create an environment that is contusive to mycelium but not contaminates.
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Re: Pasteurizing Temps [Re: cbiegel]
#6894709 - 05/09/07 06:20 PM (16 years, 10 months ago) |
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Gypsum supplies calcium and sulfur, both essential nutrients for mycelium. RR
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