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 Huehuecoyotl
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 The Same Thing 
#6874450 - 05/04/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was running for exercise the other day, and a storm broke loose leaving me running in an extremely hard rain. I don't know why, but it triggered a realization.
I have been working for some time on the practice of meditation, and bringing more of the here/now existence to my daily life in a functional way as well. In the practice of being in the present we are taught to focus on the now. Practical instruction in this art often leaves much to be desired. We are often presented with a conflict: To stay in the here now we must pull back inside ourselves and focus on the internal world, but to truly be present we must focus on the exterior world around us becoming aware of every aspect of our surroundings. I have often been at a loss as to whether one's awareness is benefited more focusing on the outer world of the consensual reality or the interior world of the self. I had the sudden realization that the interior world of the self and the outer world around us are both illusions based on our sense of self. In reality the exterior world and the interior world are the same thing. Each is a reflection of the other. There is no stopping point where the exterior world becomes the interior world, as everything is a reflection of our interior process. The self does not stop at any point and the external world start, for it is all the same. This realization was helpful to me in a practical way, but I don't know if anyone else will find it practical. In hind sight it is sort of basic, but I posted it here in order to work out my thoughts on the matter.
Quote:
Long you live and high you fly,
smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry,
and all you touch and all you see
is all your life will ever be -- Pink Floyd
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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 MushroomTrip
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I had the sudden realization that the interior world of the self and the outer world around us are both illusions based on our sense of self. In reality the exterior world and the interior world are the same thing. Each is a reflection of the other.
In my opinion this is exactly the key to what you were referring. There's no interior world or exterior world, it's just us sitting in a certain point and trying to make some differences between things so that our analytic mind can grasp them more easily. When in fact it's all one.
This reminds me of a thread you opened a while ago named the warrior in flux. I think that flux in becoming aware that this "whole" needs to be surfed, needs to be transcended in order to be taken at it's fullest potential. 
I think that here now attitude requires making use on these both worlds as we tend to categorize them. And with those particular differences our minds are used to make because they apply to material matters and we live amongst them.
Thanks for the read
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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redgreenvines
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you can be open,
breathing in the expansive continuum .
when closed,
many distinctions seem to rule.
I read this while lounging in the expansive continuum.
going to do a bit of excericise now, rollerblades, Hope it does not rain.
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MushroomTrip
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redgreenvines said:
you can be open,
breathing in the expansive continuum .
when closed,
many distinctions seem to rule.
I read this while lounging in the expansive continuum.
going to do a bit of excericise now, rollerblades, Hope it does not rain.
How's the dirving?
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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redgreenvines
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way better
everyone says so
I am much less involved with aggressive habits
and somewhat less involved with defensive habits
it leaves pedestrians smiling
big truck drivers are tooting and turning with relief
more of a solution than a road problem
I still pass the congenitally clueless, but they don't seem to mind.
but I have to keep up the effort
sink into immensity with the breath when I roll over at night.
sink in with purpose.
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psyka
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There are many different types of meditation, all with practical results.
You get out what you put in.
Vipassana stills the mind and cultivates a mental silence that aids tremendously to concentration (focus). Breathing meditation uses breath as a mental object that focuses on the breath to bring about relaxation and mindfulness. Love and kindness meditation is about manifesting love and compassion for all people without any resistance from your own mind. There are many more types than that, as well. Again, you get out what you put in.
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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.
 
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
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Awesome 
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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redgreenvines
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Posts: 38,173
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 Re: The Same Thing [Re: psyka]
#6875273 - 05/05/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
psyka said:
...you get out what you put in.
this may sound like a dualistic concept (i.e. in vs. out & getting vs. putting)
it may be a dualistic paradox.
mind is based upon affinity, connection, closeness, likeness - association. (the essence of sameness - "the same thing")
like makes like (words only suggest this truth of the process, but pictures are no better)
i am floundering with terms like immensity and immersion to describe the experience of yoke-ing (yoga)the mind to the vipassana process of just following what is happenning as it is happenning with all the ephemeral solidity of passing uniqueness.
in fact nothing is more solid than the moment unchased.
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Icelander
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I was running for exercise the other day, and a storm broke loose leaving me running in an extremely hard rain. I don't know why, but it triggered a realization.
I have been working for some time on the practice of meditation, and bringing more of the here/now existence to my daily life in a functional way as well. In the practice of being in the present we are taught to focus on the now. Practical instruction in this art often leaves much to be desired. We are often presented with a conflict: To stay in the here now we must pull back inside ourselves and focus on the internal world, but to truly be present we must focus on the exterior world around us becoming aware of every aspect of our surroundings. I have often been at a loss as to whether one's awareness is benefited more focusing on the outer world of the consensual reality or the interior world of the self. I had the sudden realization that the interior world of the self and the outer world around us are both illusions based on our sense of self. In reality the exterior world and the interior world are the same thing. Each is a reflection of the other. There is no stopping point where the exterior world becomes the interior world, as everything is a reflection of our interior process. The self does not stop at any point and the external world start, for it is all the same. This realization was helpful to me in a practical way, but I don't know if anyone else will find it practical. In hind sight it is sort of basic, but I posted it here in order to work out my thoughts on the matter.
Quote:
Long you live and high you fly,
smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry,
and all you touch and all you see
is all your life will ever be -- Pink Floyd
I suggest a raincoat.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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OrgoneConclusion
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everyone says so
I don't, listen: Hear Ye! Hear Ye! I proclaim no difference in RGV's driving.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: The Same Thing [Re: Icelander]
#6875375 - 05/05/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I suggest a raincoat.
It is to warm for that, and an umbrella is too clumsy to carry. I have just resigned myself to the existential side effects of weather.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Icelander
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Then I'm sure we can expect more revelations from you.
I always thought you were all wet.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (05/05/07 09:43 AM)
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: The Same Thing [Re: Icelander]
#6875470 - 05/05/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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The revelations are ongoing. My 3 year career on the shroomery here is testament to that. I ought to charge for quality stuff like that, but I offer it freely, and without expectation.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
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You're such a sweetheart.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Huehuecoyotl
Fading Slowly
Registered: 06/13/04
Posts: 10,689
Loc: On the Border
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Re: The Same Thing [Re: Icelander]
#6875486 - 05/05/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Lucky you for knowing me.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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redgreenvines
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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everyone says so
I don't, listen: Hear Ye! Hear Ye! I proclaim no difference in RGV's driving.
but you are not one of the inner circle of passengers/victims who are accustommed to the previous me behind the wheel.
are you not in california with a motorcycle and several custom decks of playing cards?
see
you are in a different everybody zone WRT my driving.
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redgreenvines
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Lucky you for knowing me.
you guys are in a different everybody zone too
last time I drove in oregon
was 2001
the hills made me dizzy
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OrgoneConclusion
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You were probably visiting that antigravity spot where balls roll uphill...
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Diploid
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I ought to charge for quality stuff like that, but I offer it freely, and without expectation.
But you do accept donations, right? 
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Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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OrgoneConclusion
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I was running for exercise the other day...
Translation: the cops were chasing him.
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