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The hippies were right all along -- we knew that
    #6862021 - 05/02/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The hippies were right all along -- we knew that

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Go ahead, name your movement. Name something good and positive and pro-environment and eco-friendly that's happening in the newly "greening" of America and don't say more guns in Texas or fewer reproductive choices for women because that would defeat the whole point of this perky little column and destroy its naive tone of happy rose-colored optimism. OK?

I'm talking about, say, energy-efficient lightbulbs. I'm looking at organic foods going mainstream. I mean chemical-free cleaning products widely available at Target and I'm talking saving the whales and protecting the dolphins. I mean yoga studios flourishing in every small town, giant boxes of organic cereal at Costco and the Toyota Prius becoming the nation's oddest status symbol. You know, good things.

Look around: We have entire industries devoted to recycled paper, a new generation of cheap solar-power technology and an Oscar for "An Inconvenient Truth." Even the soulless corporate monsters over at famously heartless joints like Wal-Mart are now claiming that they really, really care about saving the environment because, well, "it's the right thing to do" (read: "It's purely economic and all about their bottom line").

There is but one conclusion you can draw from the astonishing pro-environment sea change happening in the culture and (reluctantly, nervously) in the halls of power in D.C., one thing we must all acknowledge in our wary, jaded, globally warmed universe: The hippies had it right all along.

All this hot enthusiasm for healing the planet and eating whole foods and avoiding chemicals and working with nature and developing the self? Came from the hippies. Alternative health? Hippies. Green cotton? Hippies. Reclaimed wood? Recycling? Humane treatment of animals? Medical pot? Alternative energy? Natural childbirth? Non-GMA seeds? It came from the granola types (who, of course, absorbed much of it from ancient cultures), from the alternative worldviews, from the underground and the sidelines and from far off the grid and it's about time the media, the politicians, the culture as a whole sent out a big, hemp-covered apology.

Here's a suggestion, from one of my more astute ex-hippie readers: Instead of issuing carbon credits so industrial polluters can clear their collective corporate conscience, maybe, to help offset all the damage they've done to the soul of the planet all these years, these commercial cretins should instead buy some karma credits from the former hippies themselves. You know, from those who've been working for the health of the planet, quite thanklessly, for 50 years and who have, as a result, built up quite a storehouse of good karma. You think?

Of course, you can easily argue that much of the "authentic" hippie ethos -- the anti-corporate ideology, the sexual liberation, the anarchy, the push for civil rights, the experimentation -- has been totally leached out of all these new movements, that corporations have forcibly co-opted and diluted every single technology and humble pro-environment idea and Ben & Jerry's ice cream cone and Odwalla smoothie to make them both palatable and profitable. But does this somehow make the organic oils in that body lotion any more harmful? Verily, it does not.

You might also just as easily claim that much of the nation's reluctant turn toward environmental health has little to do with the hippies per se, that it's taking the threat of global meltdown combined with the notion of really, really expensive ski tickets to slap the nation's incredibly obese butt into gear and force consumers to wake up to the gluttony and wastefulness of American culture as everyone starts wondering, "Oh my God, what's going to happen to swimming pools and NASCAR and free shipping from Amazon?" Of course, without the '60s groundwork, without all the radical ideas and seeds of change planted nearly five decades ago, what we'd be turning to in our time of need would be a great deal more hopeless indeed.

But if you're really bitter and shortsighted, you could say the entire hippie movement overall was just incredibly overrated, gets far too much cultural credit for far too little actual impact, was pretty much a giant excuse to slack off and enjoy dirty, lazy, responsibility-free sex romps and do a ton of drugs and avoid Vietnam and not bathe for a month and name your child Sunflower or Shiva Moon or Chakra Lennon Sapphire Bumblebee. This is what's called the reactionary simpleton's view. It blithely ignores history, perspective, the evolution of culture as a whole. You know, just like America.

But, you know, whatever. The proof is easy enough to trace. The core values and environmental groundwork laid by the '60s counterculture are still so intact and potent that even the stiffest neocon Republican has to acknowledge their extant power. It's all right there: Treehugger.com is the new '60s underground hippie zine. Ecstasy is the new LSD. Visible tattoos are the new longhairs. And bands as diverse as Pearl Jam, Bright Eyes, NIN and the Dixie Chicks are writing anti-Bush, anti-war songs for a new, ultra-jaded generation.

And, oh yes, speaking of good ol' MDMA (Ecstasy), even drug culture is getting some new respect. Staid old Time mag just ran a rather snide little story about the new studies being conducted by Harvard and the National Institute of Mental Health into the astonishing psycho-spiritual benefits of goodly entheogens such as LSD, psilocybin and MDMA. Unfortunately, the piece basically backhands Timothy Leary and the entire "excessive," "naive" drug culture of yore in favor of much more "sane" and "careful" scientific analysis happening now, as if the only valid methods for attaining knowledge and an understanding of spirit were through control groups and clinical, mysticism-free examination. Please.

Still, the fact that serious scientific research into entheogens is being conducted even in the face of the most anti-science, pro-pharmaceutical, ultraconservative presidential regime in recent history is proof enough that all the hoary hippie mantras about expanding the mind and touching God through drugs were onto something after all (yes, duh). Tim Leary is probably smiling wildly right now -- though that might be because of all the mushrooms he's been sharing with Kerouac and Einstein and Mary Magdalene. Mmm, heaven.

Of course, true hippie values mean you're not really supposed to care about or attach to any of this, you don't give a damn for the hollow ego stroke of being right all along, for slapping the culture upside the head and saying, "See? Do you see? It was never about the long hair and the folk music and Woodstock and taking so much acid you see Jesus and Shiva and Buddha tongue kissing in a hammock on the Dog Star, nimrods."

It was, always and forever, about connectedness. It was about how we are all in this together. It was about resisting the status quo and fighting tyrannical corporate/political power and it was about opening your consciousness and seeing new possibilities of how we can all live with something resembling actual respect for the planet, for alternative cultures, for each other. You know, all that typical hippie junk no one believes in anymore. Right?


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6862040 - 05/02/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

yay, officially not ashamed to public admit im a hippie anymore.

hahahahahaha

*puts regular t shirt over tie die t-shirt, and it's low impact foods and useing low impact products when no ones looking.* undercover hippie.

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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: moon_glue]
    #6862782 - 05/02/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

YES!!! this is what ive been trying to tell people, and its true. sooo very true, i wish everyone could realize


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: Muufokfok]
    #6862863 - 05/02/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

i think a huge help would be to stop with nuclear testing, and anything nuclear...you gotta wonder how much damage we are doing to the planet every time we test one of those bombs....i mean sure its a pretty sight(the mushroom cloud and all), but we need to come up with a better super weapon with the technology we have today that wont destroy the entire planet and cause millions of civilian casualties and of course, leak nuclear waste into the atmophere.

i think we should also work on alternate fuel for space shuttles...thats an awful lot of fuel waste being poured into the air every time we launch one....more than us civilians put into the atmosphere in probably about a year.

i dont believe for one second that global warming is happening from the everyday person driving a car, or leaving a light on too long or whatnot....sure it speeds up the process, but i think the main problem is from stuff i described above and power plants and whatnot, making fuel efficient cars and light bulbs, in my opinion, wont help, at least until we change the bigger problems.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: highdroponics]
    #6862882 - 05/02/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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and anything nuclear




No way...nuclear energy for all.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: highdroponics]
    #6862890 - 05/02/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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highdroponics said:
i think we should also work on alternate fuel for space shuttles...thats an awful lot of fuel waste being poured into the air every time we launch one....more than us civilians put into the atmosphere in probably about a year.





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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: Boom]
    #6863033 - 05/02/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'd say taht as much as I love space and all the possibilities of outter space, it is somewhat a waste of money. All that money spent on space programs could go to way better things.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: apfrommsp]
    #6863096 - 05/02/07 02:18 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

nuclear plants should be in outer space.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #6863163 - 05/02/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: apfrommsp]
    #6863598 - 05/02/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd say taht as much as I love space and all the possibilities of outter space, it is somewhat a waste of money. All that money spent on space programs could go to way better things.




War on Drugs, War in Iraq, life sentences for violent offenders instead of the death penalty, all could be nixed and the money could be used elsewhere.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: apfrommsp]
    #6864337 - 05/02/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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apfrommsp said:
I'd say taht as much as I love space and all the possibilities of outter space, it is somewhat a waste of money. All that money spent on space programs could go to way better things.




nah man we definitely need space programs...we could end up finding other planets that may make a home for us later on when our sun is about to die...even if the sun burns out, no matter what people may think, there is no possible way of surviving as the sun doesnt just "burn out and everything goes cold" it releases a large thing of light before completely burning out that would destroy any living thing trillions of miles away because of the intense radiation... somewhat like a nuclear bomb but multiplied by the billions/trillions/quadrillions, etc.....any who, the only thing that would be left on the planet or any planet in this galaxy would be anything built out of pure 100% concrete and dust, no water, no plants, not even oxygen....and this doesnt just go for our sun, it could be any star(pretty much seen by the naked eye at night is about the distance of danger) in our galaxy that could cause this, and it could happen at any moment, its in the top 3 things(i believe) that are of the most danger to this planet(number one being us humans)...therefore to keep the human species and any other species from this planet alive we must expand out into deep space some time....we just need to find something that wont damage the atmosphere as much as the fuel we use now, so that we may eventually get there....but im talkin millions of years down the road when we actually acquire this technology, if we ever do.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: highdroponics]
    #6864778 - 05/02/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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nah man we definitely need space programs...we could end up finding other planets that may make a home for us later on when our sun is about to die...even if the sun burns out, no matter what people may think, there is no possible way of surviving as the sun doesnt just "burn out and everything goes cold" it releases a large thing of light before completely burning out that would destroy any living thing trillions of miles away because of the intense radiation... somewhat like a nuclear bomb but multiplied by the billions/trillions/quadrillions, etc.....any who, the only thing that would be left on the planet or any planet in this galaxy would be anything built out of pure 100% concrete and dust, no water, no plants, not even oxygen....and this doesnt just go for our sun, it could be any star(pretty much seen by the naked eye at night is about the distance of danger) in our galaxy that could cause this, and it could happen at any moment, its in the top 3 things(i believe) that are of the most danger to this planet(number one being us humans)...therefore to keep the human species and any other species from this planet alive we must expand out into deep space some time....we just need to find something that wont damage the atmosphere as much as the fuel we use now, so that we may eventually get there....but im talkin millions of years down the road when we actually acquire this technology, if we ever do.


oh cmon we are so far advanced its just the publc or NASA spinofffs that are behind...but the governments got TAVs TransAtmosphericVehicles.....such as the Aurora that can and regularly flies to the moon and in space than lands like a plane.


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Re: The hippies were right all along -- we knew that [Re: FoURtWeNTy420]
    #6865876 - 05/03/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

you missed the point, everything not made of pure 100% concrete (it is the only thing that can stop intense radiation like this that we know of yet) would be melted and turned to ash/dust within the second that it actually occurred. and also without plants to produce oxygen, without an atmosphere( meaning no oxygen left at all) without water, with nothing to eat, even if you survived in your ashed state you wouldnt survive....there is no possible way to escape it unless there is some way to either A: find another planet outside of our galaxy, or B: somehow re-fuel the sun/star that is near the end of its life...which is impossible.

EDIT: forgot to add that this wont only be happening to Earth, it will happen to the entire solar system, possibly the entire milky way galaxy as we know it.... the only thing left would be barren planets...if they even survive it....just imagine the suns light now multiplied by the trillions and being able to look at our galaxy from above....that would be one wicked ass sight to see.

Edited by highdroponics (05/03/07 07:25 AM)

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