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OfflineFrenchSocialist
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'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition'
    #6798344 - 04/17/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

'2008 GOP hopeful makes slip in front of Jewish activists.'

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Republican presidential hopeful Thompson: Money-making part of Jewish tradition
By Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent

WASHINGTON - Former Wisconsin governor and Republican presidential hopeful Tommy Thompson told Jewish activists Monday that making money is "part of the Jewish tradition," and something that he applauded.

Speaking to an audience at the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism in Washington D.C., Thompson said that, "I'm in the private sector and for the first time in my life I'm earning money. You know that's sort of part of the Jewish tradition and I do not find anything wrong with that."

Thompson later apologized for the comments that had caused a stir in the audience, saying that he had meant it as a compliment, and had only wanted to highlight the "accomplishments" of the Jewish religion.

"I just want to clarify something because I didn't [by] any means want to infer or imply anything about Jews and finances and things," he said.

"What I was referring to, ladies and gentlemen, is the accomplishments of the Jewish religion. You've been outstanding business people and I compliment you for that."

Thompson left public office in 2005, having served four terms as Wisconsin governor and later as President George W. Bush's Health and Human Services Secretary. He announced his candidacy for the Republican presidential nomination at the start of April.

"We are pleased that Governor Thompson made time in his schedule- like many other policy makers- to address the 2007 Consultation of Conscience," said Mark Pelavin, Associate Director of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism.

The Consultation of Conscience is a three day conference bringing together the Reform Jewish Movement's top social justice advocates for meetings and briefings with top policy makers in Washington, D.C.




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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6798427 - 04/17/07 04:39 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

All I can say is.... Wow.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6798444 - 04/17/07 04:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

My best friend growing up was Jewish and explained it like this: It isn't that making money is a tradition, but rather, making money by taking advantage of the Gentiles is tradition. It is acceptable (in Jewish culture) for a Jewish business man to scam a Gentile, but it is highly frowned upon for a Jewish businessman to scam another Jewish person.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: Seuss]
    #6798797 - 04/17/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Seuss said:
My best friend growing up was Jewish and explained it like this: It isn't that making money is a tradition, but rather, making money by taking advantage of the Gentiles is tradition. It is acceptable (in Jewish culture) for a Jewish business man to scam a Gentile, but it is highly frowned upon for a Jewish businessman to scam another Jewish person.




Atleast they have a certain set of "morals" in their business. Most businessmen in the world dont care who they scam, its about making the money and self preservation. Ruthlessness= successful businessman. Some call it scamming, some call it good business.

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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: dedjam]
    #6799461 - 04/17/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Tommy Thompson has no shot and never did. He may have hope but nobody else thinks so. He's nobody.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6802205 - 04/17/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

"Thompson left public office in 2005, having served four terms as Wisconsin governor and later as President George W. Bush's Health and Human Services Secretary."

No doubt it is unlikely that he would win the next election, however I would hardly say he was a nobody in the Republican Party. =)


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Edited by FrenchSocialist (04/17/07 11:21 PM)

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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6803680 - 04/18/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

He isn't even a contender. Fred Thompson, yes. Tommy Thompson, no.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6803702 - 04/18/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
He isn't even a contender.




Well not anymore. =)


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6803830 - 04/18/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Seuss said:
My best friend growing up was Jewish and explained it like this: It isn't that making money is a tradition, but rather, making money by taking advantage of the Gentiles is tradition. It is acceptable (in Jewish culture) for a Jewish business man to scam a Gentile, but it is highly frowned upon for a Jewish businessman to scam another Jewish person.




What a wonderful bunch of people. I admire them for their nationalistic behaviour, and would like to see it acceptable for gentiles to be able to openly practice such favoritism.

I guess white people have affirmative action. Wait a second....


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Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6803843 - 04/18/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Don't get me wrong. I do realize that statistically Jews do make more money on average then WASPS:

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With some important exceptions, stereotypes are in fact not inaccurate when assesses against objective benchmarks such as census figures or the reports of the stereotypes people themselves. People who believe that African-Americans are more likely to be on welfare than whites, that Jews have higher average incomes than WASPs, that business students are more conservative than students in the arts, and that women are more likely than men to want to lose weight, are not being irrational or bigoted. Those beliefs are correct.




THE BLANK SLATE - STEVEN PINKER

However I do think when making such generalizations one should be very careful so as to include context, especially if the matter is a sensitive issue like one of race where post hoc reasoning is very commonplace. I think its good policy to recognize that some issues are, for good reasons, more sensitive for certain people then others- with ethnicity being a prime example of such an issue.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6804309 - 04/18/07 12:48 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I just don't like the Jewish double standard. Many of them clearly admit to openly partaking in such practices(scamming the gentiles, but not their own) while at the same time, using said money to fund groups like the ADL and the ACLU which push affirmative action and other programs for "the fair and equal treatment of all people".

When a Jewish man can openly admit to looking out for his own, but a white man has to hire a certain number of minorities by law, there is something wrong.


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"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6808226 - 04/19/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Tommy Thompson has no shot and never did. He may have hope but nobody else thinks so. He's nobody.




I agree with you 100%.

Its funny, because I live in Wisconsin, and they really think he has a chance here!

It must be the cheese...


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6808489 - 04/19/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

> I just don't like the Jewish double standard.

Based upon the persecution of the Jewish people throughout history, you are not alone. However, I suspect the persecution is also what created the double standard in the first place; a bit mobius.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: Seuss]
    #6808908 - 04/19/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting point, which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The fact that their religious scriptures actively put down gentiles in a way which compares us to animals, I have a pretty good idea.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: Hank, FTW]
    #6809237 - 04/19/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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Hank, FTW said:


The fact that their religious scriptures actively put down gentiles in a way which compares us to animals, I have a pretty good idea.




What religion's scripture does not put down nonbelievers? Are you Christian? Muslim? Buddhist? They ALL think I am less than human.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6809584 - 04/19/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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What religion's scripture does not put down nonbelievers? Are you Christian? Muslim? Buddhist? They ALL think I am less than human.




You are aware of the fact that there is a distinction between missionary and non-missionary religions, right?

For example Islam, Christianity and Buddhism are religions that seek to spread themselves universally to various groups, regardless of race or ethnicity, whereas Judaism and Hinduism are religions that discourage converts who are non-Indian or non-Jewish in origin. What that means is some religions are indeed more racist then others.

Whether they put down non-believers largely irrelevant with respect to Hank's assertion.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6809663 - 04/19/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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FrenchSocialist said:


Whether they put down non-believers largely irrelevant with respect to Hank's assertion.




From Hank's post

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The fact that their religious scriptures actively put down gentiles in a way which compares us to animals, I have a pretty good idea.




That was the sum total of Hank's assertion that I responded to.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6809680 - 04/19/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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FrenchSocialist said:


Whether they put down non-believers largely irrelevant with respect to Hank's assertion.




From Hank's post

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The fact that their religious scriptures actively put down gentiles in a way which compares us to animals, I have a pretty good idea.




That was the sum total of Hank's assertion that I responded to.




Their scriptures do as Hank's post said and more. Also, scriptures are interpreted by means of religious traditions-the two are not really seperable when analyzing religion.


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: FrenchSocialist]
    #6809927 - 04/19/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

So which one of you is going to link to the relevant scripture?


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Re: 'Moneymaking part of Jewish tradition' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #6812261 - 04/20/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Here are a few I found after searching "Talmud anti-gentile quotes".

http://www.honestmediatoday.com/the_Talmud_is_the_Jewish_Oral_Laws.htm

I knew someone was going to mention that all religions put down non-believers, but with some of the scripture I have read in the Talmud, it is worse than anything I have read in any other religion, except maybe Islam.

For the record, I don't believe in any organized religion.


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Capliberty:

"I'll blow the hinges off your freakin doors with my trips, level 5 been there, I personally like x, bud, acid and shroom oj, altogether, do that combination, and you'll meet some morbid figures, lol
Hell yeah I push the limits and hell yeah thats fucking cool, dope, bad ass and all that, I'm not changing shit, I'm cutting to to the chase and giving u shroom experience report. Real trippers aren't afraid to go beyond there comfort zone "

:rofl:

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