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Lion
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LSD!
#6727475 - 03/30/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Albert Hoffman wrote of his LSD experiences that they reaffirm for him "the most comforting Gospel truth." Setting aside any external religious connotations of the word "Gospel", do you feel this to be true? Does the LSD experience contain for you profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of your reality? Do you view the compound more as toy, tool, or sacrament?
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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redgreenvines
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727484 - 03/30/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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it shakes everything up into a great suspension this is very useful, I think it should be legal, I would gladly participate in weekly upheaval, private and personal, of course. way better than synagogue or temple, which have very low interest for me.
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727497 - 03/30/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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bug said: Does the LSD experience contain for you profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of your reality?
Yes.
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Lion
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I would gladly participate in weekly upheaval, private and personal, of course.
Interesting.
I have experienced LSD twice, once in a personal setting and the next time with a good friend - although it turns out based on some of the evidence that the latter may not have been an LSD trip, but a high dose of some RC. The jury is out on that one.
At any rate, that first trip was a magical intrapersonal exploration, which if I had a fondness for the word I would call mystical. Do you personally use LSD only in a private and personal context? I would like to turn a few of my friends on, on a low dose, but I wonder whether it would be better for me to take a solo voyage first, or to refrain from partaking with others altogether.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727553 - 03/30/07 10:05 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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LSD had a life changing effect on me. In fact I may be here today because of my early experiences with LSD. I have profound respect for it as a tool in self exploration and glimpsing the magnitude of possibility that a human can experience. I have found that high doses are best almost always. I have found that doing this alone is very beneficial in personal growth. I'm very very careful about who I share this experience with now although in the past I was not.
As an aside, if you ever find some DMT, I highly recommend doing it just after the peak on LSD. It's hard to describe how beautiful it can be.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727554 - 03/30/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think first and foremost, LSD is a sacrament, helping to cut through the crap in my mind like a fiery sword of compassionate wisdom. Though the experience is certainly not always 'pleasant'. But useful and valuable it definitely is.
I find that alone, the experience is far more conducive to introspection and exploring your own mind and reality. Alone, you're able to become aware of various functionings of your mind that you might be entirely unconscious of during the normal scheme of things. Insights tend to flow more freely, and the capacity for learning (anything at all, really) is enhanced.
With others or in groups, the experience generally seems more conducive to recreation and bonding. Because of all the stimuli, it's far harder to plumb the depths of the mind. If you trip with one person who is very close to you, then I imagine the experience would be different, deepening the bond between you two and allowing you to become more intimate. Again, you can learn alot, but in this context you would probably learn different things.
I guess it comes down to your intentions, what you seek from the acidic experience. It's very powerful, and can be many things to many people. In the end though, what it means to you is what will largely determine the scope of your experience.
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727555 - 03/30/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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personal low doses are what I do seem to like. I have gone for magic bus rides, they are hilarious fun - but I like it best without inviting additional responsibility roles.
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Lion
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You guys are awesome, thanks for the input. I think I will hold off for at least a few days on any trip-planning; it's gorgeous outside and I'm going to go shoot some hoops!
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727594 - 03/30/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I spent many years shooting hoops.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727703 - 03/30/07 11:16 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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bug said: Does the LSD experience contain for you profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of your reality?
yes
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Do you view the compound more as toy, tool, or sacrament?
all three
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727818 - 03/30/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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bug said: Does the LSD experience contain for you profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of your reality?
No. (I guess I'm the only cynic here... )
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it stars saddam
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Maybe you need to take more. A 10 strip oughta do it.
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6727848 - 03/30/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does the LSD experience contain for you profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of your reality?
It contains for me profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of myself. It's kinda fun too.
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MushmanTheManic
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Dude... I've done a lotta LSD.
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it stars saddam
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A 10 strip?
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MushmanTheManic
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Not yet.
Back when I was into tranquilizers, I injected ketamine while trippin on cid, though. That should count for something.
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it stars saddam
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Me either.
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I wanna find out what it's like to khole.
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Re: LSD! [Re: Lion]
#6728099 - 03/30/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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bug said: Albert Hoffman wrote of his LSD experiences that they reaffirm for him "the most comforting Gospel truth." Setting aside any external religious connotations of the word "Gospel", do you feel this to be true? Does the LSD experience contain for you profound, unspeakable, and comforting knowledge about the nature of your reality? Do you view the compound more as toy, tool, or sacrament?
It is not the LSD, it, like the Eleusinian Mystery's 'Kykeon,' which preceded LSD by three millennia, may "occasion" [Houston Smith's term] mystical experience in certain people. Mystical experience is colored by the intellectual framework in which it is revealed, and a Christian is likely to have a Christian form of mystical experience. It is mystical experience which constitutes the revealing or unveiling of Primordial Consciousness, which like the proverbial White Light, passes through the particular 'stained glass window' of religious framework.
It is not the entire 'trip' which is revealing of this, but during that 'Peak,' one understands the words of holy scripture[s] as the perfect written expression of one's living experience. No longer fine platitudes and inspirational sayings, the words (or Word) strikes one as Revelation of that Peak experience in which one Realizes these words anew. This is why it is often difficult to ascertain which came first, faith or gnosis. It is clear however, that episteme often precedes gnosis: one may have 'known' the words of scripture intellectually, but in the ecstasy of Realization, one suddenly 'Knows' that they represent Truth - the certainty of Ultimate Reality of which one is given an intuitive 'glimpse.
Gospel means 'Good News,' and indeed, Gnosis, when it is Realized, arrives as Good News. When the Realization ("Peak") subsides, Faith ("Plateau") is left in its place. There may have been Faith in the first place, but Gnosis is the fruit that Faith bears. It is then a matter of: "Because you have seen me you have believed; blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believed" (John 20:29). Faith is given a higher value in this statement than Gnosis, yet Gnosis is not denied. There are various NT sayings which vacillate between the opposite perspectives of "No one has seen God at any time," (John 1:18), and "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God "(Matthew 5:8). I prefer the word vacillate to contradict - a word so often used by those with issues about the value of Biblical scriptures.
Like Dr. Hofmann, I take matters of faith seriously. I also am aware of the difference between 'Justification' (commonly referred to as the condition of 'being saved'), and 'Sanctification,' which means growth in [w]holiness. Sanctification suggests that one is 'interfacing' more with 'Higher Consciousness,' to wit, the 'Holy Spirit' [archaic terms, howsoever traditional]. The resultant manifestations of Sanctification are called "Fruits of the Spirit," or "gifts" in the NT, altruism (the secular rendering of agape) being perhaps the most universal and obvious. Clearly, not everyone who peaks on acid is given a 'gnostic glimpse.' I see that as a matter of 'grace' - a gift that flows from God and cannot be taken or purchased, but it does happen, and when it does, one is changed for life, one is "born again."
Peace.
- MtG
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I injected ketamine while trippin on cid, though.
Ditto with nitrous oxide mixed in. The good old days when I could find K.
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